he seriously broke the team discipline rules, Martin gleeson lost his lively hood over it not just a little bonus for playing for england. If anything Marwan should of kept his mouth shut or at least said the robotic thing of "i will have a chat to him when he gets back".

any rugby player can loose his cool and until all the facts come out you should not be speculating what he as done. Or even judge the player also if there were other players involved then you have to ask question of managment why only one kicked out. Also you cant say if thats the case that some other player did not start it. so people should not jump till the facts come out

Think you're right.

A lot of people are very quick to condemn without being in possession of any facts whatsoever.

Christ I hope some on here never get called up for jury service.

It's getting like a witch's trial set them on fire and if they burn they are innocent and if they don't burn kill them because they are guilty.

Just wait until you hear all the facts before judging.

Hocks previous form for being a brainless idiot goes before him here. He may not be on his own in any wrong doing but because of his reputation he needs to be squeeky clean and he can't manage it.

The lad has wasted his career which given his talent, is a crying shame. He should have been a massive weapon for England in this tournament but he's again hit the self destruct button.

I like Salford, if class them as my second team due to family connections and as good as it is to see money being spent, I really worry about the make up of that squad next year. To have so many guys who've had discipline issues in the past like Hock, Smith, Chase and Gleeson is going to end one way for me. Its a tough balancing act though as without those issues, the chances are they wouldn't be at Salford in the first place.

Fingers crossed things work out.

I think if were being honest people have found Hock guilty already based on his quite obvious previous.

The one persons take I would kill to find out on this is Noble as from what you read when he was GB coach he was quite the disciplinarian. I do sometimes wonder if Hock coming was as much the Doc as Noble but there's nothing to support that but my suspicions.

Agreed he was responsible for a number of penalties against italy, i doubt brett ferres will eb in the side though, they will have ologhlin at 13, burgress moving to 2nd row for hock i would think

Even before the kicking out the talk was he or farrell wouldnt be selected anyway in favor of the above

Other players were involved. But only one player failed to turn up for training because of it.

That isn't double standards, it's the way things work. Hock wasn't kicked out for the indiscretion, but the add on to it.

Don't have a problem with team discipline, it is essential. Two things that strike me though, firstly let us wait until we know the facts before commenting on the punishment. Secondly, if I was McNamara and wanted to stamp my authority, Hock is an easy target as everyone is agreeing already he has got what he deserved without knowing the crime. Risk free for McNamara who after all is roundly condemned by all and sundry as not having a clue. Not a bad way to divert attention away from himself.

Does the punishment actually fit the crime or was this a perfect opportunity for McNamara and his coaching team to divert widespread criticism away from themselves following the embarrassing loss to Italy?

An easy target scapegoat or a villain with form?

One down side for me really wanted to see Hock and Gallen fire into each other.

As someone else has said though when you have the option of moving one Burgess into the second row and maybe bringing in another Burgess on the bench it doesn't really weaken the team too much.

so he didn't show for training according to sky, cant blame anybody but him self for that.

So nobody still knows the reasons behind his dismissal from the camp, but people still slate him. England should have released a full statement confirming what these "serious breaches" are. I dont believe for a second that missing training constitutes a serious breach and warrants immediate explusion from the squad. If he did miss training, why did he miss training, hopefully both parties will release statements to clarify the situation.

just can't help but read "Hock removed from squad for serious discipline breaches" and sigh and shake my head.

He has made a mess of his career and reputation through stupidity, and whatever he has done, I'd be staggered if it wasn't something brainless. I accept that we shouldn't judge without knowing the full story but, let's all be fair, does anyone think we will be saying "oh poor Gareth" this time next week?

Rather than seeing Hock as the destructive, intense second rower that he is, people imediately think "moron". His public image is the product of his own actions. When you see academy players getting released, who would kill to have Hock's talent, it's disgusting the way he consistently finds a way to wazz it up the wall.

It's just a shame.

One thing's for certain though, whether it was one player or all 24, it's something you'd never see the kangaroos do - that's why they're better than us

It's all very well people having a go at Hock, and to be fair, he's often deserved it in the past. I can't help but feel that there's a self-destructive quality about him that often happens with talent in whatever form. When I read last night that Hock had been sent home, and reading the lynch-mob reactions on VT and Twitter. Slightly strange as the same people were decrying his selection in the first place. I couldn't help thinking about Terry Newton and how he garnered the very same attitudes and reactions in a life that's very similar both on and off the field.

I'm going to refrain from passing too harsh a judgement even when the truth is fully known, as I can't help thinking about Terry Newton and hope the Sport and its fans don't have too short a memory when it comes to its 'bad boys'.

One thing I have noticed about the media reporting... when he was picked for the squad his club was listed as Widnes, now that he has been thrown out he is a Salford player

Terry Newton had his faults. Missing training was not one of them. If you read Radlinskis book he singles out Newton and Farrell as being two of the best trainers he has ever seen.

You miss my point.

I spotted the same thing myself. Technically he's not a Salford player until November but lets associate some bad publicity with Salford as usual.

The Kangaroos and Kiwis have done it many times previously in visits to these shores. Infact Aussie teams better than this one have done it.

The NRL has had a problem with alchohol related incidents almost weekly over the last three seasons. Have you been hiding under a rock?

I don't think you can possibly question the attitude of Gareth Hock when it comes to training.
Not only has he been selcted to be screened,along with Tomkins,from the England camp,to be filmed training,but he also trained while banned so he could return quicker than normal,as supported by Lenagan [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/article-1371268/Wigan-try-Gareth-Hock-training-months-drugs-ban-expires.htmlSTORY[/url

I read the twitter account of the Wigan reporter last night and I saw the games that Gareth Hock has missed due to suspension and the hand of fate.He must be gutted to now miss out on a World Cup.
Delighted Dr Koukash has showed great leadership and is standing four-square with Gareth Hock.
Not once when that lad has been suspended has he whinged or blamed anyone else but taken the punishment like a man;even though at times it appears to have been unfair.

Give a dog a bad name...

Give a dog a bad name ? If a bloke gets banned from playing rugby for 2 years for taking ilegal substances then yes thats gonna stick. The blokes a nutter just waiting to explode in any game he plays in and to be honest England can do without any penalty machines when they play the Aussies.

So he's not a salford player yet then, thats funny because I could of sworn you had Chase, Smith & Hock all kitted out in their new kit having their pictures taken before the end of last season. If you didnt want him to be known as a Salford player why the hell did the club do that little publicity stunt then?

Salford have signed some key names but good luck nobble with this set of players you better have a big bar tab at the club.

He was still on the wigan books and wanted that pay rise....

An interview with Hock is apparently on BBC northwest news at 1.30pm.

Just watched the interview - he admits to going out drinking with others, after the Italy game and then sleeping in and missing a 10 minute swimming session. He says there is nothing more to it than that and that he feels harshly treated! Interview here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24641559

Just watched the interview - he admits to going out drinking with others, after the Italy game and then sleeping in and missing a 10 minute swimming session. He says there is nothing more to it than that and that he feels harshly treated! Interview here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24641559