Now now don't be childish and keep on topic.

Re the loans yes partly I hope that the club don't pay the council back as a direct result of what has happened today, I also see that the council by coming to the conclusion they have today are failing to help try and secure a very important city institution.

Then again in other ways I hope they do get the money back as a great deal of good will (potentially) be done with this and the people of the city deserve better.

I am as much a Salford fan as anyone on here and am currently sitting here wondering if I've watched my last Salford game, met for the last time friends I see really only at games and yes it's emotional so if you feel the need to make this a personal issue then feel free to but I draw my line in the sand on any further replies to you as there are more important things and issues to discuss here.

So let's see all those wonderfully loyal supporters who've been here for all of 5 minutes pick the positives out of this then.

Great post, I too have been watching for nearly 40 years and agree with your comments especially re the RFL, to be honest I'm numb about all this, devastated just about covers it and don't see anything other than a newco being formed in the championship, if we do form a newco RLFC maybe we could groundshare at Agecroft with Swinton?
Whatever form the phoenix rising from the ashes takes it will still be my/our club and I'll/we'll follow them to wherever they play.
Maybe we could go for a "Salford Devils" moniker, who knows this could be the start of something.

What's the point in blame? The outcome is the same. In this instance no one thing has contributed to Salford's downfall. A number of things over many years has slowly degraded the Club to this point. If some of those things were done differently we may not have been in this situation maybe. My gut feeling, if you look back over the last twenty odd years without personal vendetta, is that a Club which does not find a winning formula on and off the pitch is only going to last so long.

TBH it's pretty amazing we lasted this long.

We've been caught in a downward spiral for many years now. Unsuccessful marketing, mundane on-field fortunes, apathetic support to name a few causing a catch-22 we can't get out of.

A sad day in which blame, argument, and ego should take a step back on these forums for once.

Not been on the forums for 12 months now,but the R.F.L. should do the same for you as they did for the Bulls and London.If they dont the only alternative is fold and start again in the championship debt free.With Swinton looking likely to own their own ground a groundshare at Agecroft looks the best bet for both clubs.Promotion and relegation looks to be back on you could be back in S.L. IN 2 years time good luck for the future hope it works out.

Well said.

Some people need to wake up and realise this country is in financial meltdown.just look at any high street or see the sad sight of boarded up pubs.we are no different.people are having to pay an average of £1300 for their yearly energy bills etc etc..don't know what the answer is but I won't be spending my hard earned on lower league second rate rugby league..super league or bust...

It is SL and SKY that have caused this to happen.
They would be happy just to see the same top 4 clubs win games week in week out.
I will follow Salford in whatever guise they hopefully reappear in through thick and thin.
Go and support Leeds or Wigan now if you are so obsessed with the SL.

Council Interview here:- www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20029722

Council Interview here:- www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20029722

Awful situation, I'm not fully aware of all the issues, all I can do as a Hull KR fan is wish you good luck for the future.

Always enjoyed my days out at Salford,great set of fans.Hope things work out for you and if the fans stick by the club there will always be a Salford.Good luck for the future.

Michigan Red are you trying to inpersonate a clown?

I don’t agree with Mrs Garrido's politics but she would be failing in here duty not to voice her concern, you keep going on about morons,but you don't mention name's or does the word bottle and no apply?

Maybe John's good friend Steve could help,now there was money wasted! Surely you must agree with that!

You have my sympathies as a Hull KR & Rugby League fan. If the RFL do not help you (and no one seems to be holding their breath on that) then I think they should open their books for full disclosure on exactly how much they have ploughed into London, Celtic, Bradford et al. This would completely clear the air as far as they go because they are either treating everyone the same or they are not. Words from the RFL no longer suffice as most RL fans no longer trust them after the debacle that was the Stobbart sponsorship and the fact most people within RL knew that Widnes would be coming into SL a good two years before it happened. The situation with Bradford was a joke as any other competition would have thrown them out, no disrespect to their club but again I think most people feel the same way even the Bulls supporters.

This is no way for Mr Wilkinson to relinquish his reign at Salford after putting so much of his own passion & money in. I am surprised that Mr Simms is keeping a low profile through all this as he usually has his say. I hope they keep the faith with quality people like Phil Vievers and Alan Hunte as they will steer you in the right direction should you come through.

All the best and lets hope we see you in SL in 2013.

Don't count on it. Sale look like been relegated to the championship. Really hope Salford sort it out. Really thought you guys getting a new stadium would really move you forward.

the vote was done by a set of Labour ast mayors, but the mayor did not vote, so it was not him if it went one way or the other.

not a good leader, but a coward

The mayor as leader would normally only have the casting vote.

Councillors on Twitter claim the Mayor didn't have a say. Begging the question: what was the point of having a mayor again?

A comment on the interview on the BBC did make me wonder if this hasn't all been lip service to suggest that the council were considering the loan.

The Mayor says that the stadium have another tenant lined up and that Salford have not been able to meet the payments for their rental so it begs the question if they secretly think we'll get someone else in who will pay up and possibly get bums on seats.

I have no clue who it is or if I'm right but it did seem like an odd statement to make.

Also everyone keeps forgetting Securitas, I'd like to know what they have thrown into the rind for sponsorship as you keep seeing that they seem to be interested in more so I wonder if there is a chance of them becoming more involved.

A sad result of this is that I doubt even if an 11th hour rescue package was sorted that the players PV had lined up would still be available.

Let's face it, I think this would be the best option for us right now. It's quite obvious that we have nothing, no money, no stadium, massively depleated squad etc. We should take bankrupcy and start again, debt free from the ground up. Do things the way they should be done and play our way fairly up the leagues (if possible). Look at AFC Wimbledon in football as a perfect example of this. Started from non-league after their old club was shamelessly taken from them. Now they're back in League 2 and just recently came within minutes of taking MK Dons (the club that old Wimbledon FC became) to a replay at their home ground.

We have a hardcore support of somewhere between 3-4k. Starting again is possible with those numbers and who knows, if we make a success of it we might even do some things that Salford as we currently know it could never have done.

Only just learned of this from reading this forum.
Dunno who you are Butcher but thanks for the post - reminded me of -

[iThe ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. [/iMartin Luther King, Jr.

Really feel for the coaching staff and the players et al. - and their loved ones.

I am not claiming for a second that the club has been well run, but I do think the City Council have let us down badly.

Under pressure from the RFL to invest in new stadia, rugby league clubs have chased this Holy Grail instead of developing existing grounds. The recession has hit all such clubs in different ways. Salford seem to have suffered more than most as plans were altered and scaled down, and we seem to have cut ourselves off from previous income streams. New owners and new management structures and systems were needed to rectify this.

So, the local council becomes involved ( along with Peel Holdings if reports are correct ) and months are spent negotiating a "Rescue Package". Yet now it seems the Council's representatives were empowered to negotiate but not empowered to deliver what they were negotiating. What sort of system is that? If it is true that we already have a £1.5M loan from the Council, how was that arranged? Did that go to a Council vote? I have no idea as I do not remember any details of this loan being made public. Have the goal posts been shifted?

So for the sake of £750,000 the Council leads us up the garden path. Rough calculations suggest this is about 5p per week for every Salford resident. In that context it does not seem a massive amount. I feel badly let down by negotiations which seem to have been taking place with a determination to succeed and yet now we realise that they never had a chance. Shame on the Council for their actions.

Salford City Reds must not be allowed to disappear.

Martyn Sadler has tweeted - Salford Council have already loaned £1.5 million to the City Reds, so if they go into admin or liquidation the Council will lose that money

Who was it who said 'keep politics out of sport ' ?

Michigan you have still not told us who the morons are,then it is no and bottle,you had lot to say regarding
Mrs Garrido that should not be permitted on here,has I say I don't agree with here polotics and I have never met
the lady.I if somebody had said that about your mother,I don't thnk you would have liked It,would you.
The council should be saveing sevices,not Salford Reds,I have also said Mr Wilkinson is a good bloke but in my
opinion he put the wrong people in charge,and for to long.Mr Wilkinson told us only last season that people would
come to the new stadium just because we had one,a five year old new that was not going to happen.
So have your opinion,you are entiled to it,and so are the morons so please tell us who they are,
but remember we are all hurting because we are all Salford supporters who ever runs the club.

I can understand the depression and the anger, but in the end money in has to equal money out.

We call it professional sport, but in reality the only thing about sport that is professional is that the players get paid.

1 or 2 sporting clubs turn a profit and there will always be exceptions to every rule. But there are very few business' that will spend more money on staff than they receive from customers in revenue. Sporting clubs are at the whims of 2 masters, money and the race up the sporting ladder of success. In the end no one person or institution has caused this disaster, just a long drawn out process of revenue being less than costs. If the council ploughed in more money and peel did the same, this would not increase revenues, but just give a stay of execution until the next time or until a new investor (person to loan from) could be found.

I only have to look at my own club to realise that without loans we too would be in the same place as Salford. As would 90% of all sporting clubs.