I beg to differ!

Didn't Adam Partridge from 'Flog It' auctioneer the sale of The Variety Centre for starters. As for the rest of this post I simply cannot be ar$ed to engage my brain into even wanting to dicect it.

Why Not BC i thought this forum was a Salford City Reds discussion forum? Why speak to people with half ars*ed approach, Are you not even remotely interested in our immediate future?

As I socialise with people who work for the club who paint a totally different picture and I wouldn't want to put them in a position as you have done with your source.

Fair enough, Look were all different , But at the heart of it is the Love for the club, and if you were to receive information that claims were heading for oblivion do you just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well". Lets not believe that all is rosy, I wish it was, I believed the move to Barton was the beginning of a new successful era but in reality its crippled us and is fast turning into a nightmare.

Not being funny, but this thread seems to have emerged because you stumbled across an old club balance sheet (which has been availble to view online for a while now) and decided that we on the verge of financial meltdown. I am concerned about the financial situation like everyone else, but don't see how a thread full of rumours claiming to be 'the truth' is going to help the situation?

If you want to orchestrate some sort of e mail/letters campaign to the club in order to prompt the club into some sort of comment on the current financial plight then I am all for being involved, but to claim the first post in this thread is all facts is quite laughable.

John Wilkinson is at the Forever Reds Quiz and Curry next Tuesday night. Ask him what's going on in person.

Ok Agreed, will leave you lot too it, and will attend The Curry Night and put my concerns to Mr Wilkinson

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe how credible your sources are. On one thread (as I previously posted) you claim to be a nobody and that Paul McNally would know more about the running of the club than yourself. Yet on this one, you claim to know everything about how the club is run and details of its finances. Just doesn't add up to me. I'm not denying that the club is in financial difficulties, I think that is obvious to everyone. I just don't believe all the other things you have claimed.

do you really think you are going to get the truth,

Fair enough mate, Id absolutely love to be wrong about certain aspects but there is an absolute Fact in my original post but i gather this isnt the appropriate domain to share such information . Here's praying we find a buyer and quickly!

Would like to congratulate Cavendish St on the quickest retreat since citys firm saw GT stood outside The Trafford.

Never going to happen we all respect him too much for putting so much in to keep us going to say "john honestly WTF going on?"

Would certainly spice up the evening....as much as the currys mind.

I've known John for a number years and I will be having a chat with him. I'm worried and want to get a few answers and if that means 'spicing things' up a bit, the so be it!

Ok, lets assume that the pos from Cavendish Road is correct there are a few issues with it as far as I can see.

Return to The Willows
The Variety club is in administration/vol Liquidation. The cost of reopening it or the Tavern makes this impossible

The state of The Willows.
The council are very keen on the Stadium, a H & S cert for the Willows is unlikely in it's present state. The cost of bringing up to scratch would be considerable.

So we need to spend large sums of money and will receive no income from sponsorship/commercial entertaining.

At present we have a number of stories circulating regarding rent of the ground from the cost being halved to us paying peppercorn rent.

We receive the money from the corporate entertainment at Barton.

Can anyone explain where the saving/benefits of a return to The Willows comes in?

I have no doubt our financial state is precarious to say the least but this post has a number of holes in it.

I also fail to understand why fans expect a business to divulge sensitive financial information to them. I know we want to know but that's not the same thing

I cannot be there on Tuesday but if you expect some answers from the Chairman what about letting the fans at the Curry/Quiz night know your source IE Your family member who is on the board?

Good post RW The last paragraph explains why I have asked CS to divulge his/her source.

What utter nonsense. If, and it is a big if at this stage, we do fail as a Super League club then you cannot put it down purely to the people of Salford, but to the people involved with the club who have sat back and done nothing, expecting the ground to fill itself. I'm sick of people pointing the blame at the things that go wrong at the wrong people.





Are you Michigan Red in disguise?

The way I see it (perhaps wrongly) is that the money we owe is to wilky/directors so surely as long as they are willing to not have this money, we shouldnt be going into admin - obviosuly they cant do this forever but short term thats how I understood it.

I have said this before, I know the club have said they 'dont comment on rumours' but this is just breeding FAR too much negativity. People on facebook site are now talking like this is gospel!!! We should be getting ready for a HUGE winnable gam that could push us towards the playoffs and instead its squeaky bum time. All the club needs to say is ' yes money is tight but we are not presently in danger of admin'. Then we can all ignore posters 'in the know' and get back to supporting our team

A question for Mr Wilkinson.
I think I'm right in saying that the annual accounts have said,for a number of years, that the club can only continue to trade as a going concern due to the support of the Wilkinson Corporation.
If that's correct,do our alleged current difficulties mean that the Corporation is either unable or unwilling to continue that support??

I missed that post by Bobby. Seriously Rob, how an earth can you blame the people of Salford if the club goes to the wall? It's not the people of Salford who had the 'build it and they will come' attitude, but the board!! Most of the people in Salford didn't even know it was being built and still probably don't even know its there!

To be fair, if you said 20,000 flying pigs were going to fly over Barton on Friday night for the half time entertainment half of the facebook following would take it as gospel!

Yep, The Willows was gutted. It needs considerable money spending on it to be presentable. Unless, of course, the fans carry out the renovation works and decoration...

I doubt the stadium management company would have agreed to a significant rent reduction if it weren't for a) the spectre of moving back to The Willows; and b) Salford City Council's interest in both grounds.

But the point is that these people tell other people...and then the 'brand/image' of salford reds is ruined as people think it is the same pants organisation that was at the willows getting spanked by 50 and 60 points.

We need a new image and these rumours dont help

A new image



How about Manchester Magic RLFC????

Can I refer you back to my post from November last year [urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513490961&tsmp=1342615676&start=3[/url - bear in mind those figures were from the year before as accounts are always filed in arrears!

Now ask yourselves three questions:
1: Has the club's income increased?
2: Have the club's costs decreased?
3: Have we found any new investors to help plug the financial black hole?

If, as I suspect the answer to all 3 is no, then we are in pretty deep mire!

Someone (Red1?) posted earlier on this thread making the point that the debt is primarily to JW therefore as long as he doesn't call it in then it doesn't really matter. My reading of the accounts is that that is true BUT 2 years ago the debt was increasing by £490,000 per year so required someone to stump that much up every year - if the answers to questions 1 and 2 are "no" then this is undoubtedly much worse now so where is salvation to come from?

Will the RFL do a Bradford for us?