Labour are hardly soley to blame for the current economic plight, especially as it's one that has gripped the entire globe. Things like David X. Li's forumla going slightly wrong and the liquidity shortfall in the US triggered a global financial meltdown. Methinks that would've happened regardless of who was in charge of this country.

As it is, the Tories have left a wondrous legacy which has meant chasing profits without giving a about your average Joe seems to be the order of the day. Take, for instance, the privatisation of British Rail. Services cut throughout the country and now we're faced with trains, overcrowding, late runnings, a service compared to the rest of the world but with constantly increasing ticket prices and profits for the rail companies. Wonderful.

Also, take a trip to somewhere like Goole or South Elmsall. Places where people had their jobs taken from them by Maggie with no real alternative provided. Places where society has broken down and where no one has much of a chance of getting out and making something of themselves - they're trapped in a vicious circle. Try telling them that the Tories left this country in a much better state than when they left. Yes, changes were needed, but not at the expense of the working classes.

I'm no fan of New Labour, who have drifted nearer to Tory policy of the years anyway and who, seemingly, have forgotten where they've come from and what they're about. But they're still far preferable than the Tories. There's nothing in their manifesto that I've seen that fills me with confidence that they'll make a better future for us.

What the Tories did for us
Sold off:-
Gas
Electric
Water
Introduced the Poll tax (My rates went from £550 to £1000 overnight)
British Rail
British Airways
British Petrolium
TSB
Used North Sea Oil to Fund Unemployment in the 80's to batter the unions
Closed the mines with 300 years of stocks left underground
Highest Unemployment in History (created own recession) nearly 4m
Inflation at 22%
Interest rates at 15% (mortgage up an extra £100 a month)
never won a World Cup
Shut down the ship yards by ordering battleships from abroad
Closed down the national Apprentice scheme creating a Skills Shortage
Cut the married mans tax allowance (party of the Family?)
Deregulated the Buses, now I have a private company in a monopoly in North West Manchester charging me twice as much as travellers in other parts of Manchester.
Introduced unregulated expenses scheme into Parliament
Part privatised the NHS
Took away free school milk
cut the Council housing stock with the right to buy scheme
Introduced Housing Benefit direct to landlords so that they got their money whoever they put in their houses result massive degeneration across many cities in England such as Salford House price collapse.
How much as it cost nationwide now to ensure landlords got their rent about £40b



Now should I vote Tory?

Not to mention dragging is into the European Union!

P.S. still waiting for an answer regarding Steffan Ratchford.

no Steffan is staying he is the future

I thought Garlic Bread was?

thats now the past



keep up

You missed off appeasement

wasn't garlic bread replaced by cheese cake

A CAKE OF CHEESE!

Are you sure we can't have Ratchford?

You can have Ratchford if you build Salford a new ground.

Scanners from your reply you don't actually know what the Tories did, I will take a few of your points, The utilities, now making massive profits due to overcharging, if still in government hands there could be an OAP rate instead of giving a cold weather payment which goes straight into the shareholders pockets. Two years ago Norway gifted British Gas 6 months supply free of charge because they couldn't store it, this saving was never past on, if there is a raise in the wholesale price of gas the raise comes in normally 3 months after because we are told thats how far in advance the gas is purchased, when there is a cut in WP the cuts can take upto a year to be given to the consumer again the gas people say they buy a year in advance.

Inflation 1982 under thatcher 22%

My Mortgage was affordable but I signed for it at 7.5%

The Buses I have First Bus weekly pass £15.50
Manchester East and South have a couple of companies weekly pass £8.00

I worked for the Employment Service under the Tories, the Back to work teams were introduced then, only they were actually the back to bed teams with hundreds of thousands of claimants moved off unemployment benefit to sickness and other benefits, and the Tories used the claimant count, Labour don't use that because it generally produces a figure about 30% less than actual unemployed, isn't the current scheme to move people of sickness/incapacity benefit?

Direct payment meant that the landlord did not have to go round to collect the rent a real hassle as I know to my cost, so if the money is paid direct to the landlord they don't care who they have in, remember all the housing adverts DHSS welcome because it meant the landlord got paid for little effort and once you get the problem family in the whole street starts to lose value, ask the people of Seedley and Langworthy about it, and the landlords can pick up other properties below market value and stick another family in, money for old rope. Labour have now introduced the Landlord Licence Scheme as well to ensure that properties are properly maintained.
I am now bored Scanners you vote Tory

Pev,

Scanners, like all tories, remembers the good things that happened under the Tory governments like, er...


erm...

Inflation under Thatcher never hit 22%. If you know your stats you will see that in the four years 1974 to 1977 inflation was higher in that period than at any time since WW1, peaking as it did at 24%.

In 1979 as Thatcher took over it was at 13%. It stood at 3% in 1997.

If you believe that Labour hasn't shifted millions off the headline unemployment figure and changed which benefits are included in unemployment calculations, then you are in denial.

You seem to be forgetting that the majority of housing in Salford is social housing provided by the state, how are private landlords responsible for the social housing slums in Salford or elsewhere in the country?

If payment wasn't pai direct, the tenants would spend the money themselves and end up in arrears then be out on the street..............I see adverts for private rented housing all the time and an awful lot say no DSS.

By the way, how much are the utility companies overcharging? Norway really gave away 6 months supply of gas for free? You sure?

I don't see why the state should own utility companies. State ownership, as proven in many industries under Labour regimes and union control, leads to huge inefficiencies, lack of innovation, massive costs to the taxpayer and puts the country in a position where ti can be crippled by militant unions. Winter of discontent??

The free market regulates price and usage levels far better than any state control. Free market rules.

Anyway, back on topic, what's the crack with the new stadium?

Will a Tory government mean that Salford Council won't have the money it has promised to the project? Given that Salford is classed as a deprived area, can the council justify £20m for such a scheme when the money could be much better spent elsewhere?

If the Salford club can't afford a new facility and can't get sufficient funds from the private sector, surely it is time to look at the fact that the club cannot compete at the top level, and to seek a more realistic level to compete at?

You seem to be forgetting that the majority of housing in Salford is social housing provided by the state, how are private landlords responsible for the social housing slums in Salford or elsewhere in the country?

If payment wasn't pai direct, the tenants would spend the money themselves and end up in arrears then be out on the street..............I see adverts for private rented housing all the time and an awful lot say no DSS.


The majority of houses that lost value were privately owned now surely you can see that, in Seedley and Langworthy there only 5% council houses, the rest privately owned. A certain Social Landlord moved into the area in the early 90's and took in tenants who local concils had kicked out. These were mostly problem families, and they brought their problems with thme hence the decline, other private landlords also then moved in and did the same because of the ease at getting rent.
Your last comment refers to today where private landlords do not want the problem of having to get the rent of tenants. I lived and worked in Seedley and Langworthy through all this so I know what went on in fact I had a massive dossier on it and lost count of the number of "property developers" who moved into the area in the mid to late 90's with the resulting degeneration effect.
Read Andrew Marr's the Making of Britain with regards inflation.

To the Ground, Salford is not as deprived as it once once was, look at the Quays for the developments and Media City, the Council also invested £20m in the BBC Phil.

Cor, you had me going, there! Until you came out with that vintage comic gem I thought you were being serious.

Scanners is the same clown who thinks its fine to shout homophobic abuse at gay players (Gareth Thomas).

#Same old tories,
Backwards thinking.
Same old tories,
Backwards thinking!!#

Which social landlord was this? If the local authority kicked them out, someone had to provide for them. Surely if what happened is as you say it was just a matter of displacing these problem families from social housing to private landlords? How does what a Labour Salford Council does lie at the door of the Tories?

Ready to accpet your claims on inflation are wildly inaccurate?

I could have sworn this was a Rugby League forum.....I must be mistaken.

Can I just pull you up on that one. Please feel free to point to anywhere I have said the abuse shouted at Graeth Thomas was OK?

If you are going to lie, don't make it such an obvious whopper. no comments on the subjects being discussed then?

What do you think will be the possible effect of a change of government on Salford Council spending plans re the stadium?

Scammers on gareth thomas:
"People need to see this for what it was, a bit of ribbing."


Only messing, i know that your posts were about hypocrisy really

Anywayyyyyyy... If the tories get into power, which unfortuately seems very likely they [isay[/i that they will give people back the power!!! Oh how wonderful and enpowered we will all feel. So Mr Camerong will let the people of Salford have their stadium if they want it... He's pratically confirmed that it will go ahead.

Or thats the way i see it



haha

I'll ask you again to point out where I said it was OK? i think you will find I also said that abuse is abuse, no matter why fans dish it out or what they say and that it should all be condemned.

Rolling back the State is the way to go. Unfortunately for Salford Reds if public spending is cut, I think that the stadium will be under threat. It's not exactly a critical project is it, other than for the club. If the club is not attractive enough to private investors it should re-assess it's position and compete at a level it can afford to sustain.

To be fair the topic did start with concerns about the election influencing fate of the new stadium.

Yes, the Stadium IS a critical project as without the stadium Peel are not allowed to develop that area.
Please can someone correct me if i am wrong but I believe this was one of the clauses with the developement of the Barton area?