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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"
Shall we ignore your goading of away fans into 'performing' aeroplanes, the references to MVF and John Hartson in Red Tissue, the chants relating to Heysel, Hillsborough, Galatasaray etc.?
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???? what chants, I go every week and stand in the Stretford end and as I go live near to United and you don't I think I am more likely, in fact the only chant you may hear is Justice for Heysel, and I bet at Anfailed they chant justice for Hillsborough (which I am lead to believe by a solicitor friend of mine is all about the levels of compensation which were paid out, and a laying of the blame) So i am afraid my friend these "chants" are not normally sang at OT bot usually amongst a bunch of idiots.
I sometimes wonder when I see some fans calling one set of fans for one activity and then doing it themselves. These are not fans just the dregs of society who attach themselves to a club and see these chants as some sort of allegiance to that club and we will not ever change that. So in my humble opinion most clubs have about 5% of fans who are scum and morans whether they are match going or not and the most vocal and obscene don't attend matches.
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| Quote ="Bigpev"
I sometimes wonder when I see some fans calling one set of fans for one activity and then doing it themselves. These are not fans just the dregs of society who attach themselves to a club and see these chants as some sort of allegiance to that club and we will not ever change that. So in my humble opinion most clubs have about 5% of fans who are scum and morans whether they are match going or not and the most vocal and obscene don't attend matches.'"
I wouldn't disagree.
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| Quote ="Bigpev"I go every week and stand in the Stretford end.'"
[iStanding [/iat OT?! Tut-tut!!
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"[iStanding [/iat OT?! Tut-tut!!
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City fans constantly calling United fans Munichs in my eyes is the worst.
Anyway all City fans and scousers are scum and United fans are perfect
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| Quote ="Prestwich Red"City fans constantly calling United fans Munichs in my eyes is the worst.
Anyway all City fans and scousers are scum and United fans are perfect
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i for one have never sang or called utd fans munichs as my dads cousin, Geoff Bent died in the crash. i think the idiots who sing about disaters should pause for a min and think about what if it happened to a member of their familys. Any how just ready for setting off to the blue camp to roar on the mighty blues.
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| Quote ="Prestwich Red"City fans constantly calling United fans Munichs in my eyes is the worst.
Anyway all City fans and scousers are scum and United fans are perfect
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I am a blue and don't condone any chants referring to another teams misfortune. I think you are doing us a dis-service. What about the way the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster was observed at old trafford? It was the press that was stirring it, not the City fans.
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| Quote ="Branny"I am a blue and don't condone any chants referring to another teams misfortune. I think you are doing us a dis-service. What about the way the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster was observed at old trafford? It was the press that was stirring it, not the City fans.'"
But even Bolton fans behaved at OT for the 40th anniversary, it's easy to keep quiet when the whole world's watching to see if you behave or not.
I'm not saying every blue sings it, but it is unusual for an entire city end to go 90 minutes without one Munich reference.
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| As a confirmed football hater I had a conversation with a friend who is a Utd fan about why he is so enraged that people make Munich references but he finds it exceptable to sing about throwing other fans on a bonfire and to laugh at the poor Liverpool fan who is in a prison cell even though he is 100% innocent with another man free despite admitting his guilt.
He didnt get it and said it was meerly a joke, but by the same token it can then only be considered to be a joke if someone makes a reference to Munich.
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| Quote ="GT"But even Bolton fans behaved at OT for the 40th anniversary, it's easy to keep quiet when the whole world's watching to see if you behave or not.
I'm not saying every blue sings it, but it is unusual for an entire city end to go 90 minutes without one Munich reference.'"
It's a minority of idiots that every club has.
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| Quote ="Michigan red" to laugh at the poor Liverpool fan who is in a prison cell even though he is 100% innocent with another man free despite admitting his guilt.
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He is as guilty as they come! Just bad news for him he didn't have that Kopite judge and jury who let Gerrard off.
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| Quote ="Branny"I am a blue and don't condone any chants referring to another teams misfortune. I think you are doing us a dis-service. What about the way the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster was observed at old trafford? It was the press that was stirring it, not the City fans.'"
Only because the fans in there were threatened with a lifetime ban if anyone made any noise during the minutes silence, also those that went were checked by the club so that you got non of the idiots in there.
City fans tend to forget that one of their best ever players died at Munich,also Matt Busby played for them.
He also played for Liverpool but trying to explain anything to a scouser is just not worth it.
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| Quote ="GT"But even Bolton fans behaved at OT for the 40th anniversary, it's easy to keep quiet when the whole world's watching to see if you behave or not.
I'm not saying every blue sings it, but it is unusual for an entire city end to go 90 minutes without one Munich reference.'"
i was speaking to a liverpool fan who was disgusted with city fans for how they behaved during the george best silence.
every club has idiots.
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| Quote ="GT"But even Bolton fans behaved at OT for the 40th anniversary'"
What do you mean even Bolton fans?!
We're angelic!
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| Quote ="Walshovski"He is as guilty as they come! Just bad news for him he didn't have that Kopite judge and jury who let Gerrard off.'"
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"What do you mean even Bolton fans?!
We're angelic!'"
Swine, that was going to be my reply!
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| Is the behaviour of those who chant about Munich less acceptable than the behaviour/attitude of the club towards the survivors and their families?
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"
Since all City fans are being regarded as giddy because of this idiot, shall we label all United fans as 'scum'?'"
when FCUM set up i thought they'd just miss-spelt the first letter...
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Is the behaviour of those who chant about Munich less acceptable than the behaviour/attitude of the club towards the survivors and their families?'"
Enfield Exile in attempt to deflect attention away from city fan's behaviour shocker...
You won't mind many United fans who aren't disgusted with the club and their treatment of those directly affected by the disaster in the years since. But that's got f*ck all to do with what was discussed.
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Published by Manchester Enterprises, where one of its most senior directors who would have had a lot of input on the Football stuff is a City season ticket holder. Interesting they update the figures for City after 2004 but not United details 2001. Also only show a map of City Season tickets holders and not United so not comparing like with like, or it shows to me is that more people in manchester have a season ticket for United
than City
Manchester City 6,678
Manchester United 7,808 (2001) only figures to compare
Perhaps an update from last season may show even more season ticket holders for United, but that's called speculation.
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Published by Manchester Enterprises, where one of its most senior directors who would have had a lot of input on the Football stuff is a City season ticket holder. Interesting they update the figures for City after 2004 but not United details 2001. Also only show a map of City Season tickets holders and not United so not comparing like with like, or it shows to me is that more people in manchester have a season ticket for United
than City
Manchester City 6,678
Manchester United 7,808 (2001) only figures to compare
Perhaps an update from last season may show even more season ticket holders for United, but that's called speculation.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Is the behaviour of those who chant about Munich less acceptable than the behaviour/attitude of the club towards the survivors and their families?'"
What a MUPPET
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| Quote ="Walshovski"He is as guilty as they come! Just bad news for him he didn't have that Kopite judge and jury who let Gerrard off.'"
No you're wrong, it was definately the black men with dreads as shown in the remake
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| Quote ="GT"Enfield Exile in attempt to deflect attention away from city fan's behaviour shocker...'"
Funny that because many would claim United fans' focus on other teams chanting about Munich deflects attention from:
* the very crappy way United, as a club, handled the disaster
* United fans chanting about several nasty incidents (e.g. Heysel, Hillsborough, Galatasaray etc,,
Freudian projection.
Quote You won't mind many United fans who aren't disgusted with the club and their treatment of those directly affected by the disaster in the years since. But that's got f*ck all to do with what was discussed.'"
Mate, it is relevant.
Quote ="Red Mist"What a MUPPET
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Stay out of this. It's a debate for adults with intelligence.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"
Stay out of this. It's a debate for adults with intelligence.'"
why don't you try and show some, then!
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| Quote ="Bigpev"Published by Manchester Enterprises, where one of its most senior directors who would have had a lot of input on the Football stuff is a City season ticket holder. Interesting they update the figures for City after 2004 but not United details 2001. Also only show a map of City Season tickets holders and not United so not comparing like with like, or it shows to me is that more people in manchester have a season ticket for United
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Manchester City 6,678
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Perhaps an update from last season may show even more season ticket holders for United, but that's called speculation.'"
how defensive do united fans get?!
the publication here is part of the framework for city regions published by CLG, this element led by CUPS at Manchetser Uni (who's head is a big red!) - the research programme had 1,000s of pages of detail of which this was a tiny (but interesting) element. only united fans and their 'the whole world hates us' mentality could jump to such conculsions about something so insignificant
really...
there are far bigger things in the world!
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