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| If the club are found guilty of anything they'll probably just get docked the usual 2 points. Now if they are unfortunate enough to go into administration they'll have the book thrown at em (probably not in a Rochdale way but in a London way if you get me). They come out of it ok either way.
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| Am sure this broke, about a month ago, in RL press & on RL radio hour(2)
I think it was the terms of employment....they were employed by some company and were playing RL as a hobby...this was a couple of yrs ago..iirc or maybe not
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| Quote ="Salford_Stu"Am sure this broke, about a month ago, in RL press & on RL radio hour(2)
I think it was the terms of employment....they were employed by some company and were playing RL as a hobby...this was a couple of yrs ago..iirc
or maybe not
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If this is true SS, then I think the club do have to pay the price. At first I was thinking that perhaps the players should take some responsibility, but if the club was complicit in blatant misdeclaration to obtain visas then they should be punished.
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| Quote ="Salford_Stu"Am sure this broke, about a month ago, in RL press & on RL radio hour(2)
I think it was the terms of employment....they were employed by some company and were playing RL as a hobby...this was a couple of yrs ago..iirc
or maybe not
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That was mentioned but was it the reason for the deportations? The story was in connection with their finances, not visas, so the two may not be connected at all.
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| I think the RFL is correct not to comment YET.
Lets wait and see why the visas are incorrect, what changed from the previous 2 years for the likes of Van Dyke.
As for not having a stadium, neither do we, Wigan, Hull FC etc.
The Welsh game at grass roots has grown, as it has in london and the professional clubs help this happen.
If they are being paid by another employer then there are breaches of the cap, if only in spirit.
However if this is a fraud at many levels the RFL need to punish them.
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| Quote ="Red Willow"I think the RFL is correct not to comment YET.
Lets wait and see why the visas are incorrect, what changed from the previous 2 years for the likes of Van Dyke.
As for not having a stadium, neither do we, Wigan, Hull FC etc.
The Welsh game at grass roots has grown, as it has in london and the professional clubs help this happen.
If they are being paid by another employer then there are breaches of the cap, if only in spirit.
However if this is a fraud at many levels the RFL need to punish them.'"
There have been similar problems in some of the local cricket leagues with overseas professionals although the visa problems appear to have been picked up before the players landed here.
The contracts are the clubs problem and in cricket copies have to be lodged at the League HQ, in this case Red Hall and presumably a copy of each visa would also be lodged at Red Hall.
There have been rumblings over this matter for some while and it was said that it concerned visas from a couple of years ago but clearly there is more to it than first thought.
What if a weakened Celtic team gets beaten by a large score which results in one team getting into the play offs and another misses out?
Salford City Reds have their own visa/contract expert, step up Mr Steve Simms Esq.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Of course there is room for doubt. There is always room for doubt.
If the players lied on their forms, that alone creates room for doubt. We do not know what they did to attract the punishment they have been given.'"
Sorry pal - you are talking out of your ar!e - the offence is committed by the employer - regardless of the employee lying or attempting to deceive -
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| RFL have now issued a statement saying err err...............................
that they are not saying anything, but they don't check players eligability to work in this country.
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| Quote ="Original Salford City Red"Salford City Reds have their own visa/contract expert, step up Mr Steve Simms Esq.'"
Yep did a good job this year:
1) Getting everyone here
2) Getting a great standard of player here
Didnt get the beers in this year (yet) but 2 out of 3 aint bad.
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| Quote ="The optimist"Yep did a good job this year:
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2) Getting a great standard of player here
Didnt get the beers in this year (yet) but 2 out of 3 aint bad.
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You must have been to the toilet then, definately 3 out of 3 for Steve.
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"Sorry pal - you are talking out of your ar!e - the offence is committed by the employer - regardless of the employee lying or attempting to deceive -'"
Not true.
The employer has to be guilty of 'knowingly employing' an illegal immigrant for them to be prosecuted. If an employee has lied on their form, fooled the Border Agency and thus been accepted for employment, the only responsible party is the employee. Only if the employer is found to have known about the deception and continued with the employment is the employer also held responsible.
Or so I have just today been advised.
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| Shame they can't deport any of our players!
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| Quote ="Original Salford City Red"You must have been to the toilet then, definately 3 out of 3 for Steve.'"
WHAT!!! What a disgrace, team morale will be at a all time low now i missed the beer run, shocking
dont worry steve i forgive you.
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| Quote ="Original Salford City Red"
Salford City Reds have their own visa/contract expert, step up Mr Steve Simms Esq.'"
Hey , wasn't he the Guy who spent three seasons trying to trace kevin Mcguinness Irish Ancestry
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| Quote ="middleman"Hey , wasn't he the Guy who spent three seasons trying to trace kevin Mcguinness Irish Ancestry
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It was the one and only Steve Simms, it didn't take three years at all though and Buddha left the country with the visa that he arrived with, the correct one.
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| I don't claim to be an expert in the law on this matter but I have been employed at several levels and have been asked to provide proof of elegibility to work in this country (in my case a passport becasue I am English). I can't believe that a super league club and the RFL would not require the same (especially since there were issues at the start of the season with the same players). If it was not checked then, why? Because they don't care or that they knew? Either way Celtic and RFL are in the wrong.
Also if they were not eleigible to work in this country they can't have been paying tax either.
My feeling is that this will get swept under the carpet and there will be no punnishment for celtic at all becasue that would jeopordise their attempts to spread the game to Wales. Attempts that woould be better aimed at Cumbria who are currently occupying the top two places in the championship - but that's another debate.
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| Quote ="Salford_Stu"I think it was the terms of employment....they were employed by some company and were playing RL as a hobby...this was a couple of yrs ago..iirc
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Could the Celtic club have employed them this way to get around the National League salary cap? . . and could the RFL have turned a blind eye to it because they ultimately wanted a Welsh team in Superleague?
It would appear that something untowards has gone on here!
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| this season they became fulltime professionals and therefore their status changed, meaning they had not played enough NRL games to qualify.
I have it on good authority the Players Union (GMB) normally checked the paperwork for the players as a when of getting them to join the players union. Maybe the official in South Wales didn't check hard enough what the qualifying criteria was.
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| According to the BBC there are 13 other clubs whose players were/are playing on the same visas, so get ready for some boat rocking. I assume no points deduction because of the number of clubs and how it would mess up the leagues. It may even be said we might have been doing it but no clubs are named.
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