They would if they get good offers, and u cant blame the salary cap because club like Wakefield have bought players like solamona and castleford buying players like Sherwin and Huddersfield buying Brett hodgson all quality players and them clubs all them get the same crowds we have had in the past, we haven’t sign one ex international since coming up in 2004

And what have Castleford and Huddersfield won? Answer, f*ck all.

Simms should go as well, since he has been hear we haven’t sign one top players and the only he sign Dunneman because he offered him 1 year and I heard rumours when he left was Dunneman want more money and Salford didn’t offer him what he wanted.

and he sign Quailty players like smith haha and swain.

im not saying we havnt won this n that, im saying we cant sign any good players even to start with.

Without John Wilkinson we would not have made Superleague at all, let alone the last franchise application.
We all owe him a huge debt of gratitude.
I think he has said he wants to hand it on to a person who can give it a good future.
There are no takers !!

The problem is that ,because of what he has done, supporters have turned him into some kind of 'God like' figure who can do no wrong and,having built him up are now ready to hammer him with criticism.

He is not perfect and has made loads of mistakes ,as we all would.
I never bought into the new stadium dream totally, and thought it would end in tears and I really hope that I turn out to be wrong.

The bottom line is that there is no point in slagging JW off.He has gone for the dream and,even if it doesn't work out ,we have been far better off with him than we would have been without him.

Plan B would be worth starting work on ,though !!

You need to be very careful of taking the ' renting a council facility ' route

Yes you might end up with a shiny concrete box to play in , but unless you run it and get revenue off it , you might end up like we are at Leigh

Not good

Staggered and disappointed at those knocking JAW. GT & TR make siome very good points in defence and the people pushing for him to go still have not put up any plausible alternative. Its put up or shut up time for them, preferably the former.

john wilkinson as done is best with resorces he as got if the person who wants wilkinson to go in to debt is willing to go in to debt why dont you seen as you care that much for the club why dont you take the debts on

"YOU HAVE TO SPECULATE TO ACCUMILATE" as bankers?

I had many dealings with Oldham Bears (remember them?) until they went bust. I watched the great hope of Doncaster ... until they went bust. I live in Rochdale .... who went bust.

I promise you all that had JW been in any of these towns, there would have been less promises and they would have a club without these histories. Their fans envy us for him.

Too many are happy to spend money they have not got and criticise for decisions they could not make.

RED FLAG RISING, Red Joldsworth, RED LEAGUE, and (especially) red13pjb; I put it to you to buy the club with the profits you obviously are making from your hot-air exploits and organic fertiliser spreading.

You could not make it up.

My only argument has to be that we show a lack of ambition , its so disheartning seeing teams around us do well and grow and get better with new stadiums and bigger crowds and play attractive rugby, and were still the same shower of e we always have been, no progress whatsoever, so I think the buck has to stop with JW, he is a lovely fella, but who honestly thinks he has the ambition to push us on and do you feel he is really selling the club to the right people , i.e. perspective owners . Its all well and good saying without him we wouldn't be in SL , well in 2 years time we won't be anyway and there doesn't seem to be any urgency from the club or JW to address this

So how do you know that is the case?

Can you tell me which clubs you're referring to? Are they punching above their weight or at the level that you might expect them to be?
I'm a Leigh fan and would have happily have seen JW at Leigh doing the job he's done for you.

I think this is where some people have short memories (and I don't just mean you KMT).

'Teams around us' (ie. teams who have been around the bottom of SL and/or top of NL1) during the Super League era have included Paris, Rochdale, Oldham, London, Widnes, Leigh, Halifax, Gateshead, Sheffield, Keighley and Workington, who have all either gone bust or are playing at a lower level than us currently.

Of the teams who are currently above us Saints, Leeds, Wigan, Bradford and Hull have remained above us consistently for a number of years - they are also the only teams that have won anything worth talking about for a number of years.

That only leaves Wire, Wakey, Huddersfield, Cas and Hull KR who could be considered 'teams around us' that are currently above us.
- Wire have a very rich sugar-daddy who has poured money into the club but has nothing to show for it except a shiny new soulless box to play in.
- Huddersfield have been kept alive by the RFL/SL - two years of not being relegated when they finished bottom then the Sheffield 'merger'.
- Wakefield are enjoying some form under Kear, and I don't begrudge them that, but their ground is still poor and their fans are still wary of losing their best players (eg. Atkins) to 'bigger' clubs.
- Hull KR have come good over the last couple of seasons under Morgan but still play in the worst ground in SL.
- We are exactly where Cas were 12 months ago.

I can understand frustration that we don't have Wire's ground or financial colout, or the current form of Wakey, Hudds or Hull KR. However, as we are still in business, haven't broken the salary cap and are still in SL, I reckon we've done pretty well over recent times.

Oh my God some people don't listen or read very well at all do you. I have made numerous posts as have many others with the same theme.

Lets get this straight shall we?

[size=150:30a12bnqWe know JW has spent Hundreds of Thousands of Pounds on the club!!!!!!! Our issue is that most of it has been wasted on players who don't fit the bill. [/size

You really are an idiot , totally unbelievable

"Our issue is that most of it has been wasted on players who don't fit the bill. "





I bet that in 25+ years many many players did fit the bill. Please list all players in this period and your views on each.

Or do you ignore facts for debate?

Star Bug. Are you going to continue to just insult me? I have put forward a reasoned arguement having formed an opinion based on many years of watching Salford week in and week out. I have also observed the club from the inside as a player at academy level.

So far all you have said is that JW has kept us afloat with his money and insulted me for having my opinion. Just because it is at odds with yours doesn't make me an idiot. Now if all you want to do is deal in insults I suggest you go back to your own forum!!!!

Hillbilly red: I will gladly debate the merits of the players we have had over the last 25 years. There have been some fantastic players at the Willows during that time. However, I'm sure everyone would agree that we have thrown money away on a number of imports who simply weren't good enough and players who had had their day.

The current squad is a case in point: J. Smith, R. Paul, R. Cashmere, W Talau to name but 4. go back through the years and you will find our squad littered with those kinds of player. Anyone who says that's down to the coach, the final say go's to the man with the money doesn't it???

When Snape sold to Wilky the club were going downhill fast both on and off the field, in its hayday the variety centre was the top caberet nightspot in the UK bringing in money to fund the team on the park. Unfortunately wilky did not have that luxury because Snape had sold that to Greenhalls brewery.
Wilky did bring big name players here Garry Jack was world player of the year when we signed him. As for signing ex-internationals how many players have left to become internationals and look whats happening now.
Look at Wigan if it were not for Dave Whelan needing planning permission for his new football ground Wigan would no longer be in business. 18000 crowds on average and still ended £4m in debt before selling up to Tescos.
All top clubs except Leeds which is a city 4 times the size of Salford make a loss each year despite the Salary Cap.
We can not bring in the money other clubs do from advertising because we are hardly ever on TV and this has been the state all the time we have been in Super League.
The only way to get money in is by getting people through the door, unfortunatey most people in Salford are apathetic and if it means effort will not bother. We are not a Rugby city we are not a Football city we are a can't be bothered city and until that changes Salford do not deserve a place in Super League and has a fan of 42 years I am now facing the truth I had tried to hide and that hurts.
As for getting to Wembley was it Wilky's fault that Cousins was offside or Naylor tried to run through the fullback instead of passing against Sheffield NO, so close yet so far.
Wilky's big problem is he listens to others and takes their advice, without him we would just not be here now, look at Swinton playing like nomads but have a bigger supporter membership than Forever Reds see apathy again. It is up to us to not the chairman to get into the ground and support the team, it does help if we are winning I know but Wilkys investments over the years have not been matched by the fans.
But I do feel we now need to look for a plan B and possibly life outside Super League and ensure that the Rugby League respects the work done by NL clubs in developing players and ensure tha Super League Clubs pay the going rate for the talent they are buying and so supporting lower league rugby.

Good. I hoped we'd stopped being a retirement home. I'd much rather sign future internationals than ex-ones. Maybe people would have been happy for us to have signed Paul Sculthorpe for this season, or maybe you'll be pleased to sign Briers for next season as signing ex-internationals is clearly a sign of progress.

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I think it is fair that Wilkinson has done a lot for the club over the years, but it should also be remembered that he has received a huge amount, from his associations with the club that will have undoubtedly helped him in his other dealings.

I remember Mr Wilkinson himself telling the fans at club function just before we signed Richard Webster that the Variety Centre was back in the clubs hands and would therefore provide finance. Some years later I am told the Variety centre is owned by Mr Wilkinson’s wife and if that is the case, when I buy a pre match pint does any money going to the club? I also recall another rumour that when Mr Wilkinson was happy to sell the Salford City Reds approx 5-6 years ago, the Variety Centre was not part of the deal. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this?

It is my belief that those who are in power in terms of decision making and day to day running are so fixated on this “new ground” they believe it will solve all the clubs problems, the simple fact of the matter is it wont. Salford City Reds is a business and if the product in not competitive or enjoyable then people will not use it. Would you go and watch a crap films in a plush cinema? You may once or twice but you wouldn’t go every week because you going to watch a film and not sit in a comfy seat.

28th June - a person called Gavrillo Princip sets out to remove a leader and accidentally was able to - result millions of dead.

It is easy to remove a leader or cause a board to resign - what happens afterwards is rarely what those, who were critical enough to force that change, expect.

What is the alternative?

Actually we need one as I doubt that Mr Wilkinson nor I will be around in the late 2010s for a reattempt on SuperLeague.

Gavrilo Princip assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife in Sarajevo on 28 June 1914 with a lucky shot and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, which led ultimately to the First World War in case anybody was wondering.
And the peace deal signed at the end of the First World War was part of the reasons of the Second World War.
Hundreds of millions killed because a driver was not given the right directions and took a wrong turn.

Just bin on GMR he & tarry were to busy to comment on the stadium when asked on friday,

I am completely amazed at how lax the club seem to be witht his stadium, it seems to be shrinking every time we hear something, soon there will be nothing left i fear. Sorry but I think were in a hell of a lot of trouble. Were still a yo yo club with a turd stadium and a dwindling fan base, sorry but I for one think its time we stop accepting being Mr Wilkinsons toy thing and start trying to be a top rugby club again. Aim High don't accept being poor and average just happy with our existence, what kind of club is that?

just heard jack mention it on gmr what a disgrase... DO THE CLUB EVEN CARE ABOUT US FANS ANYMORE..
im not to sure they do..

once again they keepin the fans who turn week in week out in the dark

salford no all the fans want to now whats happin with the staduim and when asked to update us on the sittuation on gmr they turn around and say there to busy well that just somes how our club is being run and how much they care about the fans..