There is no definition for the role. For example, from a public perspective a 'director of football' at a football club is largely anonymous compared to the manager, who is the main man (with a few exceptions where said incumbent has aspirations for the manager's job e.g. Gerard Houllier & Avram Grant). While in rugby union the 'director of football' is usually [ithe[/i main man: the manager or head coach equivalent. There's no doubt that although these roles have the same title, they have different remits.

As far as criticising Simms is concerned, you have to consider what it is he does.



If he is responsible for elements of recruiting players, coaches and what not, then yes, he is set up for scrutiny — whether it be from the media, the fans and the board. However, if he is effectively a go-between for the board, its eyes and ears on the football department, its day-to-day media mouthpiece/face, then he's more beyond reproach. Because if the board, who invest their own cash into the business, trusts him to carry out this job (bearing in mind [itrust[/i is a hard commodity to find) then he is likely to stay in the role regardless of what happens. Criticism would then more likely have to lie on the head coach and the chairman. Not particularly my view of course, but something you have to consider.

Interesting that Simms has been at the club years in a 'senior post' and yet his role is shrouded in mystery!

Like value toilet paper, sh=#000000it does not stick.

Indeed.

I hope you guys get your own 'nathan brown' or 'Maguire' and your 1st season in the new stadium is an exciting one.

Stolen from Twitter. Thanks City Red Girl!
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Interesting to note how highly he is regarded at the Club.

Yes Michigan,you are dead right,you are not the sharpest tool,in or out of the box,your spelling and grammar are the
give away.I think the word you were looking for was purport,not potrot, is that Polish.I don't purport to be a Salford fan I am one.Probably for a lot longer than your good self,unlike you, I like a lot of people think the club is being
run amateurishly.This his the club who took the captaincy of Alker,only to give it him back six weeks later
the club who were only two weeks ago,giving out new contract's to players,when the new coach mite not want them
only for Simms to rightly change his mind.the only chance we have got,Is to get a coach who no's what he is doing
then for Tarry Simms and the rest of the board,to get out of his way. Tarry gave an interview, listen to it and you will
see why we are in the mess we are

Spelling and grammar?
Those in glass houses......

Well as you point out my spelling isn't the best but then again being profoundly dyslexic I think I'm allowed the odd slip up. The spelling mistakes aside (though I think might or mite and no's or know's are easier to spell than purport)I think I make more vaild points than you do and don't chose to hide behind an internet forum to obviosuly snipe at a club and organisation you have an axe to grind.

As others have said the club is run on the tightest shoe string and without a massive cash injection for backroom staff, better training and sundries we will always struggle regaurdless of who we put out on the field. That is why myself and other fair minded fans are willing to see what change of fortune the new stadium gives us before we begin to slag officials at the club off.

You have proved my point with your next post. He doesn't give the contracts to the coach, he doesn't sign the players etc. Basically he does nothing that he can be held accountable for.

FFS people it's an internet forum not an English lesson, can we please stop bitching at each other and concentrate on the subject itself rather than the person posting. Reasoned debate is much encouraged (and much needed I'll add

) but virtually every thread on here at the moment is breaking down into a personal fight. I know it's tough around the club at the moment and I'm sure if we were tucked in the top 8 and in the quarters of the cup 99% of this wouldn't be being said.

We all come on here for the same reason (I trust) and that's to make our feeling known about the club that we love (for better for worse and all that). We all want the team / club to be successful and it's very emotive subject but lets remember that like Macc Red we do attract new fans to this forum, lets not put them off too soon eh?

On this subject, you may note I haven't added anything and I don't profess to know the in's and out of what's going on in the club but I will say don't believe everything you read in the press and remember there's always going to be someone at the club that will divide people.

But IMHO I'd go for Gentle, I've heard a hell of a lot of good stuff about the man but it's not my decision (and I'm delighted it isn't BTW

) but whoever the new man is hell need all our support to put things right and I'll guarantee one thing the people who are employing him will be doing it for what they see as is the best for the club.

Sorry about the long rant, just had to get it off my chest.

=#FF4000RED ARMY!

Speeling misprunts aside I totally agree.

Its GENTLE 100% i have it on good authority from someone who knows an Australian

who's been to see a man about a kangaroo

If true .
When ?
Next week , next Month ? or Next Season .

No the point i was making to you and CeeBeeJames and that Chico has also made, no one here can exactly say what Simms' role entails unless you can prove differently. So it's OK saying that he does nothing that he can be held accountable for but the things that people try to blame him for might not actually be in his job description so is being wrongly accused.

Seems it is Gentle:
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I am saying you have no idea what a director of football does. People familiar with RL do. Likewise people who know about recuitment and selection know that blabing to the press - like simms did re wrigley - is rank amateurism.

However if JW defines a director of football as a knuckledragging goffer you and he will be very happy.

If your not happy with Simms as a so called Huddersfield supporter

why don't you write to our club and express your views to them rather than boring us with your personal vendetta?

I'm sorry have I missed something here, did Simms actually tell the press anything regarding Wrigley or did he answer the questions that were asked by a journalist? Could the said journo not have got his information from another source, maybe one down under, an agent shall we say?

Journo: "There's a rumour that your client Kurt Wrigley is on Salford's wish, list is this true?"
Agent: "Yeah we've been in contact with them and they will be coming over next week to speak to him and I've told him to have a chat with them"

A week later;
Journo: "Hi is there and updates regarding Kurt and the Salford job as I believe the club officials are on their way over to Oz as we speak"
Agent: "Yeah mate, Kurt doesn't want the job; we've spoken about certain other opportunities for him but he'll speak with them anyway"

Journo: "Steve I believe Wrigley has turned the Salford job down"
Simms: "Wrigley is now no longer a contender for the position we have."

"I've spoken with him, I've also had talks with his agent and it's clear he does not want to be considered for a job with us."

"Souths were happy for him to speak with us - they would not have stood in his way had an opportunity to become a head coach in Super League with Salford been offered to him but he will stay where he is."

"That's fine by us, we know where we stand and we've said all along we want someone who is fully prepared and totally committed to fulfilling the role of a head coach."


I read over and over what was printed in the press and I can honestly say I don't see what your issue is (bearing in mind the fact you don’t support Salford as well!). As a very passionate Salford fan I find nothing wrong with what’s been said, I know of many players reported in the press being linked with another club only for them to turn the contract down, why is this any different? We'll just move on a hopefully get a coach that wants to be at the club and wants to be successful with us.

In fact does anyone else have an issue with it?

Haha you back. You got that evidence yet that proves Simms isn't doing what has been asked of him by his employers no matter what his job title is? Didn't think so.

Your boring me now so do us a favour and jog on.

Yes. I have an issue with it, King of the Shed.

How dare you come on this Forum being sensible and reasonable. Shame on you!

My guess is that Neil Barker from the MEN will have phoned Simms knowing already that Wrigley wasn't getting the job. Rumours are circulating that Wrigley had priced himself out of consideration a week before they set foot on the plane to interview all the applicants.

If you criticise simms it is a vendetta?

Do try and grow up.

Keep brown nosing re simms. The fact that you think his incompetence is okay is telling. At least you have stopped fantasizing about rlkes between Wrigley and Maguire

Can we lock this thread if this e carries on?

I thought it was about 'The New coach' not a 'Merit of Simms' thread.