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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"The Willows was sold to Godliman Watson two years ago!
Salford Council appear to be raising the funds to buy it from Godliman Watson once the move to Barton has taken place
[urlhttp://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1231514_town_hall_to_pay_25m_for_salford_reds_ground[/url'"
Yes we know it was sold to Watson, but this discussion refers to the claim that it has been sold to Salford Council which it hasn't!! It's irrelevant anyway to the new stadium.
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| When i see some actual construction taking place that's when i'll believe it!!
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| Quote ="Early Bath"If the contract hasn't been awarded, how can anyone give a finish date? -
Let me answer that by asking you a question -
Why - unless contracts have been sorted - would the club make the announcement?
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The Willows hasn't been sold.
Yes it has.
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How many times has this build started and been announced? First time was Dave Tarry on the BBC website in 2000 saying they would be in by 2003. Must have been half a dozen start dates given.
The History of this long drawn out situation has been well documented. There have been Hurdles of immense proportions to overcome. From John Prescott, RCD & Knotweed yet the club are still batting.
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You yourself said March this year not long back...........well? -
Yes true but I was only the monkey not the organ grinder. As it happens remediation work has been continuing so maybe I was half right.
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Surely there would be announcements everywhere of the contract being awarded and work starting? Places like Peel's website, the MEN, Salford Advertiser, BBC North West Tonight, Granada, etc etc. There's nothing anywhere apart from a very fact devoid promo for a game on the SCR website.
Why? Its not National News at Election time such as Bottlers efforts in Botchdale yesterday. As you say there have been false dawns so again ask yourself why did the club make the announcement.
You sound very interested in the situation. Will you be wanting a season ticket or a Box at Barton. Ten will be available and I believe the annual rate will be very reasonable.
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How's the archaeological dig going?
Fine but no Roman Gold Coins found
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Does the Salford club really hold it's fans in such contempt that it thinks they will swallow this guff yet again?
Not at all - thats why they have produced the message in the first place.
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Scanners - unfortunately you are on a loser this time with your mates - your sabre rattling is of no consequence as the steamroller continues on its path out of Weaste.'"
The club has announced work starting soon. They have done this several times before. So yet again can you answer how if there is no money or contractor in place, how a completion date can be given?
Not to Salford Council it hasn't.
Sorry to burst your bubble. I was at the Trafford Centre last weekend. There is no activity of any kind on the site. There hasn't been any since Wilko was filmed two years ago before the first round licences were given out. No plant, now sign of workmen, e.g portakabins, absolutely zilch.
Keep on kidding yourself. It's a major project for Salford and the game, but doesn't get mentioned anywhere other than a very vague piece on the club website. It's not going to start any time soon. The money isn't in place to do anything. There's no contracts signed to build it. It's a pipe dream.
The club must think Salford fans are stupid, and clearly by you believing what they are saying, they are pretty accurate.
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| Scanners :-
The club has announced work starting soon. They have done this several times before. So yet again can you answer how if there is no money or contractor in place, how a completion date can be given?
How do you know that no contractor/money is in place? Kindly state your source. Suggest you are just rumour mongering. Have you been down to the Irlam traffic lights just past Boysnope GC? Site of the new road? Wonder where that is going then?
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Not to Salford Council it hasn't.
I answered your question - dont try & change your original question.
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Sorry to burst your bubble. I was at the Trafford Centre last weekend. There is no activity of any kind on the site. There hasn't been any since Wilko was filmed two years ago before the first round licences were given out. No plant, now sign of workmen, e.g portakabins, absolutely zilch.
No activity expected at the Trafford Centre as we will be playing miles away. As previously pointed out they have been sorting out the remediation of the ground surface which was formerly the site of sewage works. No plant is expected on site until later in the year.
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Keep on kidding yourself. It's a major project for Salford and the game, but doesn't get mentioned anywhere other than a very vague piece on the club website. It's not going to start any time soon. The money isn't in place to do anything. There's no contracts signed to build it. It's a pipe dream.
Believe what you will - maybe others know a bit more.
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The club must think Salford fans are stupid, and clearly by you believing what they are saying, they are pretty accurate.
I see youve been on the Forum for 3 weeks and have made about 200 posts. I can only surmise what your ultimate objective is and that is to push Widnes`s case for a Franchise.
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Scanners :-
The club must think Salford fans are stupid, and clearly by you believing what they are saying, they are pretty accurate.
I see you've been on the Forum for 3 weeks and have made about 200 posts. =#FF0000[uI can only surmise what your ultimate objective is and that is to push Widnes`s case for a Franchise[/u.'"
Let's hope so that can only be a good thing for Salford
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| Its great news, been waiting so long for it, will start dancing around on the 17th when i see diggers flattening the ground
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| Quote ="Early Bath
I see youve been on the Forum for 3 weeks and have made about 200 posts. I can only surmise what your ultimate objective is and that is to push Widnes`s case for a Franchise.'"
I twigged a couple of weeks back that Scanners is an intelligent fella who will go out of his way to use his fairly decent intellectual capabilities to criticise anything pro-Salford. Not that his efforts are of any use whatsoever on here.
Scanners, you're most probably a decent chap, but you appear to be developing a fixation on Salford RL. Posting a continuous stream of critical comments without an ounce of subjectivity.
I'm happy to read your posts but on the proviso that you stop sounding like a political spin-doctor, completely partisan in your rhetoric. In other words, give us a compliment once in a while will you. Otherwise it simply gets boring.
Opinion voiced and RP leaves the forum to get on with his revision. Peace out.
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| I can confirm this scheme is definitely out to Tender as the Central division of the company I work for are pursuing this scheme.
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| Is it just me being stupid or have Salford edited what they said at first, im sure on the website it said something along the lines of "this is when work will commence" & a deadline of December 2011 now it just says "Salford have teamed up with the council to get the whole city down for the saints game" also they have deleted the posts of the facebook saying come down and party as the saints game will mark start of the new stadium.
I may be wrong but seems a bit strange they would delete if true. Lets hope Mr Wilky gives us some more info against saints maybe on the pitch at half time, Lets hope the club read this and try and arrange for him to make an announcement & give us fans some news we deserve.
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| Quote ="brap"give us fans some news we deserve.'"
Take that quote, bottle it, and stick it up your a$$.
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| Quote ="EX.SALF.UNI"Take that quote, bottle it, and stick it up your a$$.
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He's right though, it has been changed.
It seems it was a badly worded press release that's been misconstrued as an announcement of work starting on the stadium which I think is evident from the fact that it's been changed.
As an aside, hopefullly we'll get a decent crowd with the reduced prices. I've also heard today that Salford Council are giving free tickets to employees for the game. Not sure on the exact details but positive nonetheless
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| Quote ="EX.SALF.UNI"Take that quote, bottle it, and stick it up your a$$.
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The club yet again have come out said something with regards to the stadium, then back tracked and changed what they have said. It seems to be a common theme with Salford city reds, if your happy with what your being told then fair enough, but I'm not.
BTW thanks for your well thought out reply. t*sser
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| I'm passed caring about the new stadium personally, we're not going to be in the next round of licenses anyway with or without the stadium.
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Scanners :-
The club has announced work starting soon. They have done this several times before. So yet again can you answer how if there is no money or contractor in place, how a completion date can be given?
How do you know that no contractor/money is in place? Kindly state your source. Suggest you are just rumour mongering. Have you been down to the Irlam traffic lights just past Boysnope GC? Site of the new road? Wonder where that is going then?
[iWhere has it been announced that all the required money is in place? It hasn't because it isn't. The NWDA certainly hasn't confirmed any investment and Salford council has agreed in principle. How much is in the joint venture company bank account?[/i-----------------------
Not to Salford Council it hasn't.
I answered your question - dont try & change your original question.
[iI haven't changed any questions. Read your own post timed at 10.03 today. Watson bought the ground years ago because Salford were broke and had to sell. It hasn't been sold to Salford Council which is what you initmated when you said it had been sold in order to get this project going.[/i
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Sorry to burst your bubble. I was at the Trafford Centre last weekend. There is no activity of any kind on the site. There hasn't been any since Wilko was filmed two years ago before the first round licences were given out. No plant, now sign of workmen, e.g portakabins, absolutely zilch.
No activity expected at the Trafford Centre as we will be playing miles away. As previously pointed out they have been sorting out the remediation of the ground surface which was formerly the site of sewage works. No plant is expected on site until later in the year.
[iSorry, but you really are not very astute at telling porkies. Remediation work requires plant. There's no plant and the ground remains completely untouched from when Wilko was filmed their two years ago with a few buldozers scraping top soil. The site isn't even levelled, nothing has been touched. When later in the year exactly? It was supposed to be March, or are you just the monkey again?[/i
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Keep on kidding yourself. It's a major project for Salford and the game, but doesn't get mentioned anywhere other than a very vague piece on the club website. It's not going to start any time soon. The money isn't in place to do anything. There's no contracts signed to build it. It's a pipe dream.
Believe what you will - maybe others know a bit more.
[iOthers like who? Why is it being kept such a big secret if it's ready to roll? Why has the club changed it's press release if it's ready to roll?[/i
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The club must think Salford fans are stupid, and clearly by you believing what they are saying, they are pretty accurate.
I see youve been on the Forum for 3 weeks and have made about 200 posts. I can only surmise what your ultimate objective is and that is to push Widnes`s case for a Franchise.
[iWhat has Widnes got to do with anything? This discussion is about you yet again saying work is about to start.[/i
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Not the first time tenders have gone out for this scheme over the last ten years.
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Not the first time tenders have gone out for this scheme over the last ten years.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"I can confirm this scheme is definitely out to Tender as the Central division of the company I work for are pursuing this scheme.'"
The tender closed 6 days ago so I hope they got it in in time.
Quote ="Scanners"Not the first time tenders have gone out for this scheme over the last ten years.'"
For "construction of a stadium", are you sure? I'm fairly sure they haven't in the time since the planning inspectorate gave the OK (and you wouldn't tender before that).
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| Quote ="Iain"The tender closed 6 days ago so I hope they got it in in time.
For "construction of a stadium", are you sure? I'm fairly sure they haven't in the time since the planning inspectorate gave the OK (and you wouldn't tender before that).'"
Yes I am. Have a look around.
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| Quote ="brap"Is it just me being stupid.'"
Usually, yes.
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| Quote ="Scanners"Yes I am. Have a look around.'"
You're the one trying to prove a point, you look around and present the evidence.
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| Quote ="Iain"The tender closed 6 days ago so I hope they got it in in time.'"
That would be the expression of interest, not the actual bid return.
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"Usually, yes.'"
Ladies & Gents i give you your comedian for the night " Mr Fatboys Limb"
So then Mr I'm smarter than you was my post right or wrong? Think you'll find i was right and was merely stating a point.
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| Tenders were put out previously, but when a new company involving the council was set up, NEW tenders had to be put out, as with any council work in whatever capacity.
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| Quote ="Iain"You're the one trying to prove a point, you look around and present the evidence.'"
I wasn't trying to prove any point. You made the statement that tenders would not go out for a pipe dream as I descrived this fiasco.
Tenders were sent out for the previous stadium which did not materialise. That's not proving a point, it's questioning your assertion that this is not a pipe dream.
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| Quote ="Scanners"I wasn't trying to prove any point. You made the statement that tenders would not go out for a pipe dream as I descrived this fiasco.
Tenders were sent out for the previous stadium which did not materialise. That's not proving a point, it's questioning your assertion that this is not a pipe dream.'"
You're right, it's a pipe dream, it's a fiasco, the whole club's a fiasco.
Well done, now run along.
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