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| Quote ="Fully"Put your [size=150banker[/size hat back on and look at this:'"
First time I've heard it called that Fully.
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| Can anyone point a link to this 60k offer? Reading back a few pages suggests the figure was just made up by a Salford poster as a bit of a windup.
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| Quote ="Fully"Put your banker hat back on and look at this:
If you know that the person with the overdraft has an asset that is making money and is making it easier for them to meet their obligations then surely you'll want that club to retain that asset as long as possible to generate as much as possible.
The figure of £60k (if true) is scandalous and I'd tell Koukash to stick it and come back when he's willing to multiply it at least another 4 times minimum. We sold Westerman for £175k and Chase is a much more significant player.
Cas know that Salford claim to have the dosh so they can keep holding out. If the good Doc wants to go elsewhere then ta-ra. However, if he really wants Rangi it's time to put up and shut up. He went for Dobson first so I wonder if he may try his look on someone else first like Tim Smith or Danny Brough.
We have absolutely no reason to sell and our commercial staff are doing a grand job now to raise our income and we're on the way to making ourselves self-sufficient. People saying £100k are having delusions of grandeur. That would be peanuts for a player of his calibre and there's no reason Cas would sell.'"
Dearie me. According to your own fans Cas are losing £6k a week. Thats over the whole year and there is no income from gates for 4 months of the year.
Also and maybe more importantly - Players are NOT assets. Never have been and accountants do not include them as assets in the Balance Sheet. Looking at your Balance Sheet the club is insolvent cash wise and to pay all liabilities the ground will have to be sold. True - there would be a surplus when that is done but surely you would prefer to stand on your own two feet without having to sell the ground.
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| I think Cas fans think they have a more valuable asset than they actually have. I think he will end up going for about 150k, I don't see how he can be valued at anywhere from 250k to 350k,we are not talking about Benji Marshall.Granted he can be exceptional in games,he can also pass to the linesman in games as well,not to mention his tendency for the odd shoulder into opposing players head.
I think the Dr is in a very good position at the moment,put a low ish offer in to test the water
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Dearie me. According to your own fans Cas are losing £6k a week. Thats over the whole year and there is no income from gates for 4 months of the year.
Also and maybe more importantly - Players are NOT assets. Never have been and accountants do not include them as assets in the Balance Sheet. Looking at your Balance Sheet the club is insolvent cash wise and to pay all liabilities the ground will have to be sold. True - there would be a surplus when that is done but surely you would prefer to stand on your own two feet without having to sell the ground.'"
Perhaps you should do your own research and realise that we do not owe money to outside companies. HMRC payments are up to date. The money that we owe is to our owner, Jack Fulton, who has loaned us money.
We pay our bills when they come. We don't spend it on things like players we can't afford. We have no need to sell the ground.
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| Fully - So Mr Fulton is not a creditor then? Has he transferred his loan into a gift? If so then Cas are solvent. If not then Cas are insolvent. Mr Fulton is no longer a young man so I would be surprised if the club hasnt made provisions as his family may just not be so philanthropic.
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| Quote ="Fully"Perhaps you should do your own research and realise that we do not owe money to outside companies. HMRC payments are up to date. The money that we owe is to our owner, Jack Fulton, who has loaned us money.
We pay our bills when they come. We don't spend it on things like players we can't afford. We have no need to sell the ground.'"
Dont talk about paying their bills. They will come out in a rash . Maybe the doc should concentrate on paying Salfords debts before buying any mpre players. Cue the " its a new company" scoundrels mantra
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| It's a new company
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| If the transfer happens I think Cas fans will owe the good doctor a huge debt of gratitude. Had Chase gone to St George a few months ago they would have received pittance for him and not had him for the remainder of this year. It's a win win for them.
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| I've heard Hull have agreed a fee with cas for chase. Maybe the holdsworth to Salford rumours have some substance
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Fully - So Mr Fulton is not a creditor then? Has he transferred his loan into a gift? If so then Cas are solvent. If not then Cas are insolvent. Mr Fulton is no longer a young man so I would be surprised if the club hasnt made provisions as his family may just not be so philanthropic.'"
If you read my post above it clearly states:
"The money that we *owe* is to our owner, Jack Fulton, who has loaned us money".
However, Jack Fulton is a Cas fan, Shareholder, Chairman. He is unlikely to call in his own loan as he knows that whilst he'd lose his money, Cas would lose everything.
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| Comparing previous transfer fees is pointless. Each situation is totally different. When Wigan signed Fielden they were desperate, they were on course for relegation and had no choice. Bradford also didnt need to sell and held out. You cannot use that as an example.
The difference here is we're not desperate, whereas Cas are. They need the money and they need Chase off the wage bill (regardless of the smoke screen comments about wanting him to sell).
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Comparing previous transfer fees is pointless. Each situation is totally different. When Wigan signed Fielden they were desperate, they were on course for relegation and had no choice. Bradford also didnt need to sell and held out. You cannot use that as an example.
The difference here is we're not desperate, whereas Cas are. They need the money and they need Chase off the wage bill (regardless of the smoke screecomments about wanting him to sell).'"
Well thanks for your inside information on the state of cas financial situation.
Tell me , who was it that went into administration cos I cant for the life of me remember it being cas. We do the thing that has been alien to Salford ie. Pay our way.
Maybe when your pitiful club has paid its debts off you will be in a position to comment on your superiors finances, you knob
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| Quote ="biggunbrad"Well thanks for your inside information on the state of cas financial situation.
Tell me , who was it that went into administration cos I cant for the life of me remember it being cas. We do the thing that has been alien to Salford ie. Pay our way.
Maybe when your pitiful club has paid its debts off you will be in a position to comment on your superiors finances, you knob'"
About time this account was banned.
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| Quote ="biggunbrad"Well thanks for your inside information on the state of cas financial situation.
Tell me , who was it that went into administration cos I cant for the life of me remember it being cas.'"
Bradford, Wakefield & Crusaders in recent years. I can't for the life of me remember it being Salford either by the way.
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dont like the truth sunshine ????
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I've heard Hull have agreed a fee with cas for chase. Maybe the holdsworth to Salford rumours have some substance'"
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That's a new one, got to be honest can see some fans giving him a terrible time if he comes back as he seemed to take his eye off the ball badly before he left. To be fair he's a very good player who showed loyalty when he signed his first contract extention, but there are better options than him.
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| Quote ="Fully"If you read my post above it clearly states:
"The money that we *owe* is to our owner, Jack Fulton, who has loaned us money".
However, Jack Fulton is a Cas fan, Shareholder, Chairman. He is unlikely to call in his own loan as he knows that whilst he'd lose his money, Cas would lose everything.'"
You seem to know a lot about Mr Fulton,Fully.
Why?
I wish I could spot the clue?
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| Holdsworth. NO!
As for the rest of the silliness, let's stop bickering over stuff most of us know little about. We've been in Cas's boat (and worse) and understand the fans' frustration. What will be, will be.
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| Quote ="biggunbrad"dont like the truth sunshine ????'"
You obviously don't going off the change of tact by resorting to personal insults.
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| Quote ="Wirecutter"You obviously don't going off the change of tact by resorting to personal insults.'"
This.
Going off a quick look at biggunbrad's posting history, almost all of the posts have been on our board or on topics about us on other boards. The account's been set up exclusively for trolling by the looks. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the second account of someone who already has an account on RLFans.
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| Quote ="biggunbrad"dont like the truth sunshine ????'"
Resort to name calling again and you're gone off this board.
As of about mid December 2012 there was another set of fans who were consoling themselves that their club's debt was to its directors. One that had been labelled as "well run" for years and didn't splash the cash on transfers and salaries, and paid its way whilst other clubs went into admin leaving a trail of unpaid debt...
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"but to come out and write two columns a day after one another talking like its a done deal then he MUST have rock solid assurance that he's signed'"
A bit like he constantly had rock solid assurance that the club was about to go bust or be saved within 24 hours, then?
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| I am confident that we will go back to Cas with an improved offer. We were just testing the water.
It reminds me of a story a wise man once told me about when he propositioned a lady.
He asked the lady whether she'd sleep with him for a million pounds.
She thought long and hard and said that she would.
He then asked her to sleep with him for a tenner.
She said "what kind of a girl do you think I am?"
He says, we've already established that. We're just negotiating on price.
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