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Could the green seats be in there to neutralise the stadium? Could be embarrasing having smaller crowds than secondary tenants in "our" ground.
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It seems a lot more complicated than just upping sticks and moving to the new Salford stadium, for instance Sale bought Edgeley Park in 2002 and if they did move what would happen to Stockport County and would it stack up financially if only one team (tennent) was playing there?
There was a news story about 3 years ago of Stockport wanting to buy the ground back but nothing came of it. Apparently when Sale bought the ground for 3 million from Stockport there was an agreement made with a ten year option for the football club to buy it back for 4 million. As you can imagine it’s not an ideal situation at Edgeley Park with a lot of resentment from fans of the football club insisting if they were in a position to buy it back Sale would have to go.
I can see the appeal of the new stadium to Sale with it’s modern facilities, extra capacity and a prime location that is nearer to their original roots. They have also had lots of pitch problems with two teams playing on Edgeley Park over the winter months. I know the London Wasps fixture was postponed just before kick-off last November because the pitch was that bad. This lead to a lot of remedial work with talk of an estimated £500’000 having to be spent to re-lay the pitch this summer.
The question is are Sale as interested as they make out or are they using this as a lever with Stockport Council to either build them a new ground or to help them financially to redevelop Edgeley Park? Or is their interest genuine with the hope Stockport County with possible help from the Council will step in and buy Edgeley Park back from them?
There was a lot of talk in the past of Manchester United reserves possibly playing at Barton but I've not heard it mentioned for some time now.
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It seems a lot more complicated than just upping sticks and moving to the new Salford stadium, for instance Sale bought Edgeley Park in 2002 and if they did move what would happen to Stockport County and would it stack up financially if only one team (tennent) was playing there?
There was a news story about 3 years ago of Stockport wanting to buy the ground back but nothing came of it. Apparently when Sale bought the ground for 3 million from Stockport there was an agreement made with a ten year option for the football club to buy it back for 4 million. As you can imagine it’s not an ideal situation at Edgeley Park with a lot of resentment from fans of the football club insisting if they were in a position to buy it back Sale would have to go.
I can see the appeal of the new stadium to Sale with it’s modern facilities, extra capacity and a prime location that is nearer to their original roots. They have also had lots of pitch problems with two teams playing on Edgeley Park over the winter months. I know the London Wasps fixture was postponed just before kick-off last November because the pitch was that bad. This lead to a lot of remedial work with talk of an estimated £500’000 having to be spent to re-lay the pitch this summer.
The question is are Sale as interested as they make out or are they using this as a lever with Stockport Council to either build them a new ground or to help them financially to redevelop Edgeley Park? Or is their interest genuine with the hope Stockport County with possible help from the Council will step in and buy Edgeley Park back from them?
There was a lot of talk in the past of Manchester United reserves possibly playing at Barton but I've not heard it mentioned for some time now.
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Even though there's a couple of things I'm not keen on with the design, seeing the pictures for the first time in a very long time I actually had a twinge of pride.
Lets see if those involved can keep their sh*t together and actually build it now.
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| Quote The Northwest Regional Development Agency was dealt a blow as the government announced it was slicing £52m from its annual budget. The cuts amount to 18 per cent of the agency's overall budget, and chief executive Steven Broomhead said that some projects that had been promised cash would now end up losing out.
‘Our budget for 2010/11 is already 90 more than per cent committed and we will be forced to review some projects that have already been approved.’'"
Will this affect us?
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| Quote ="Chico"Will this affect us?
[url=http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/s/1279526_nwda_budget_slashed_by_52mFull story[/url'"
I wouldn't have thought so because the work has actually started as a result of them signing it off. I wouldn't have thought it legal to be able to cancel the funding several weeks after work has actually started on site. Also the 4m from the NWDA for remediation work I believe is a loan and not a grant, if that makes a difference I'm not sure?
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| Quote ="theredshed"I wouldn't have thought it legal to be able to cancel the funding several weeks after work has actually started on site. '"
It is. I've worked on grant awarding projects in the past where we've had to pull funding that we'd offered to businesses because someone at regional level had done their sums wrong and the purse holder was clawing back what they could. Where I currently work we've also had to lose members of staff because funding has been pulled from projects that are already underway. It's usually a caveat in the smallprint. |
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| Quote ="Iain"It is. I've worked on grant awarding projects in the past where we've had to pull funding that we'd offered to businesses because someone at regional level had done their sums wrong and the purse holder was clawing back what they could. Where I currently work we've also had to lose members of staff because funding has been pulled from projects that are already underway. It's usually a caveat in the smallprint.'"
You are referring to grants though, this is an agreed loan.
I would think it's more likely that funding for work that hasn't started will be pulled first. The cost of the remediation work so far must be in the region of £650,000 if you consider 4m for 6 months work. That would be a lot of money for local government to write-off.
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| Quote ="theredshed"You are referring to grants though, this is an agreed loan.
I would think it's more likely that funding for work that hasn't started will be pulled first. The cost of the remediation work so far must be in the region of £665,000 if you consider 4m for 6 months work. That would be a lot of money for local government to write-off, false economy for the government surely?'"
Are you sure that the remediation is a loan? I thought it (or some of it) was NWDA contaminated land grant funded. The stadium construction (or again, a portion) will be local government loan. For what it's worth, I think we'll be ok as the contact was awarded in the last financial year. |
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I have my own manufacturing business in Rochdale & secured a 3 part grant for investment in people & equipment, our first payment was given in the middle of last year securing 22 jobs through the NWDA. The second & third part of our grant already approved is now under threat, we know we have lost the third phase but think with all cuts, even though the second phase has been approved we believe is also about to be cut.
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Good old Tories, the buffoon Pickles was on the other day saying they would not scrap RDAs if businesses in the region want them, but then went onto say they would like more localised control, ie city against city, which proved so counter productive in the past for the regions.
Ask Bandwagon Dave to help he worth £30m and still claiming £1079 a month mortgage payments, even though he's got a rent free home in Downing Street.
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Just like to say that I think your stadium's progress is coming on fantastically well!! Really well done to all involved and I can't wait to watch Wakey play against you in it.
I'm wondering though, is there a "Green" or Sustainability policy that goes with the construction and future operation? If you look at Wembley or the Olympics there tends to be a big emphasis on these issues, so I'm just wondering if this has been factored into your stadium.
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"
I'm wondering though, is there a "Green" or Sustainability policy that goes with the construction and future operation? If you look at Wembley or the Olympics there tends to be a big emphasis on these issues, so I'm just wondering if this has been factored into your stadium.
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Always a good thing
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"Hahaha
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I think a few of us may disagree with that!
Seriously though, the design and access statement has a lot of stuff about habitats an ecology as there's a brook/wildlife corridor running through the site and the ship canal near by. I think there was some work on sustainable drainage but that may have been the former design. There's also talk of public transport links and cycle storage (just need that cycle lane on the M60 now). The main text related to general sustainability is...
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• Energy saving and energy efficient devices will be used to minimise energy demand. Where possible, the scheme will incorporate the use of environmentally efficient measures which may include:
- Air Source Heat Pumps
- Lighting zones and controls
- Thermal zoning
- Sub-metering of substantial energy uses/ Submetering of high energy load areas and tenancy
- Energy-efficient external lighting and reduction of night time light pollution
- Well-insulated and air-tight building envelope
- Low-energy and efficient lift
- Provision of energy efficient equipment'"
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| Quote ="Iain"I think a few of us may disagree with that!
Seriously though, the design and access statement has a lot of stuff about habitats an ecology as there's a brook/wildlife corridor running through the site and the ship canal near by. I think there was some work on sustainable drainage but that may have been the former design. There's also talk of public transport links and cycle storage (just need that cycle lane on the M60 now). The main text related to general sustainability is...
It's a bit thin and non-commital in my opinion. I'd suggest that rainwater harvesting should be a no-brainer on a new build with large roof areas, as should PIR controlled lights throughout and a general building energy management system.'"
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I have been informed that the seats will not be green... This isn't my word... just a word from somebody at the club. Just passing on the info I heard... not my word... so it could still be wrong.
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"I have been informed that the seats will not be green... This isn't my word... just a word from somebody at the club. Just passing on the info I heard... not my word... so it could still be wrong.'"
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Oh excellent, cheers for that Iain! That's a great help, much appreciated. Have you got a link to this?
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Oh hang, I've found it, cheers!
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| Quote ="Stew2" enviro-mentalists.'"
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| Quote ="Stew2"[uSo long as these measures are long-term net revenue positive[/u and not just a costly sop to enviro-mentalists.'"
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| Quote ="Iain"That's the entire point of them despite the paranoid stories that the likes of the Mail and Express peddle to cretins.'"
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| Quote ="Iain"That's the entire point of them.'"
No, the point of them is to buy off enviro-mentalists who don't like to see progress.
I expect a cost-benefit analysis of "rainwater harvesting" for example has not been done. These devices are best utilised on a large scale to benefit from existing terrain, local climate and economies of scale - and are usually called reservoirs. As a club we can't be throwing money on expensive sops to lobbyist groups |
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