Cameron Says regulate the Banks
Tory Boris says No (real Tory policy)
Cameron says cut Legal aid on his soapbox
Back in Parliament he opposed the cut in Legal Aid
Cameron we will cut sleaze
Tory MP states £67,000 not enough to live on
Cameron Says Gays have no fear of Torys
Chris Grayling Tory Shadow Home Secretary Its OK to turn Gays away from your Guest House
Cameron appoints ex head of Army as Military adviser
Chris Grayling again thinking Labour had appointed him, "what a stupid idea which won't win voters"

You can spot the Tory
look at cameron says Yes but shakes his head from side to side

LIKE!

See my FB status Pev.

Pev all these parliamentary points will get us thrown off this forum but just a few points from your post.

We do live in a democracy which when I went to school in Brindle Heath taught me that people had different ideas and voted for different people and parties based on what they thought were the correct policies,some people also watched Swinton at Station Road.

On your point on the banks are you saying that the banks are all sweetness and light?Many people that I know would really regulate them.

Boris Johnson was democratically elected as mayor of London because he didn't always toe the party line.

The sleaze in Westminster has been disgraceful and it should be eliminated as quickly as possible in all parties and in both houses to include the staff in the two houses also.

No group of people should fear any political party although once again all people have their own views on many things and legislation will not alter their views if they are convinced that the legislators have got it wrong.

I know people who have a policy of not allowing religious groups to knock on their doors or post leaflets, is that fair? should it be reported?I will speak to anyone and like you try and point out where I feel that they are going wrong.

With regards General Dannat being appointed as a Military Adviser once he left his army career, who better to have? would you prefer a Business Secretary who has never run a business before and who had £300/400k paid into a bank account that he forgot all about?

It is the same as the former Admiral Lord West who is now in the House of Lords
as a security adviser to the government.

Whatever happens on May 6th we will both be watching the Reds,having our moans and groans,discussing the new stadium,where we will stand or sit and possibly giving the newly elected government some gip.

You had a mortgaged home when you were a kid? lucky you. How were the Tories to blame for your Mum being short of cash?

Fair points Original Salford City Red
all I was pointing out was what Cameron has said or done and somebody in his party has stated the opposite, and the Dannat thing was just so funny because the chap from the BBC let Grayling go on and on about the negatives of the appointment before they pointed out who had done what.
I am sure somebody will come on and could do the same for Labour or the Lib Dems.

I totally agree the banks should be regulated and a limit set on Bonuses, I remember when to get a mortgage you had to walk over glass and had to show proof of earnings and letters from your employer stating job was safe. Unfortunately we copied the Yanks and allowed people to self declare their earnings to get the house of their dreams without thinking how to pay it back, if lending is more regulated then the bonuses would not be as big.

Can't get hold of my mum for specific details but the key points here are;

Due to ill health, mum had to retire just 2 years before dad left. Being a retired single parent of three children, with a mortgage wasn't a great start under any governement. Certainly worse pre '97.
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1990, interest rates reach 15% (Her mortgage, as many were in the era, was a flexible-rate endowment mortgage.) Ouch. Repayments went through the roof.

Inflation peaked at over 10% effecting those with the least wealth the most as the cost of living, in relation to little income became tougher than ever.
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Post '97.
Interest rates have averaged at 5%, the lowest since the boom times of the 1960's saving my mum around £900 a year. Meaning my mum could afford the mortgage as well as weekly food shopping for her kids.

Inflation has been reduced to the lowest in the EU up until 2008 meaning it doesn't cost the earth for day to day essentials in relation to her income. Meaning my mum could afford the mortgage as well as weekly food shopping for her kids.

My mums incapacity benefit increased under Labour. Meaning my mum could afford the mortgage as well as weekly food shopping for her kids.

My mum was in receipt of the Labour concept of child tax credit. Meaning my mum could afford the mortgage as well as weekly food shopping for her kids.

My mum received discounts on her council tax under labour. Meaning my mum could afford the mortgage as well as weekly food shopping for her kids. (And even, on special occasions, a trip to the supermarket cafe! Oh yes, the good time rolled!!!

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She's now all but paid up on the mortgage so has arguably become a beneficiary of the increased degree of social-mobility in society that Labour was keen to implement.
Hell, she even gets free travel on public transport under Labour. (There's probably more I could write but like I say, can't get hold of her at the moment. She's probably doing her voluntary work. Yet another Labour initiative!)

Mate, it could be a hell of a lot better, but my word, it WAS and would surely again be MUCH worse under the Conservatives.

Scanners. I feel you may have questioned my mum's integrity within your reply. I sincerely hope not. With-this-in-mind, this debate could easily descend to a nasty, accuasatory level. Please leave the dirty stuff to the politicians if you will.

Fact 1. My mum is probably the most honest person I know. She would never lie, fib or mislead anyone so far as I'm aware. (And even if she was, she did a pretty smart job in hiding the supposed wealth she had under the tories.)

Fact 2. I remember what life was like for our family from 1990'ish when I was just 5 to 1997 when I was 12. It was tough. Really tough. I also noticed the drastic change in our quality of life from '97 until now. It is significantly better.

Now, considering my mum's integrity, why is this? And why do I hear the same from countless other families in the same boat?



You strike me as a decent person who is passionate about their politics. I'd love to hear your opinion.





However, I don't believe either party has the answers to the current economic plight of the country. Such is the unsustainable nature of monetarism per se. (Different debate.)

Labour are hardly soley to blame for the current economic plight, especially as it's one that has gripped the entire globe. Things like David X. Li's forumla going slightly wrong and the liquidity shortfall in the US triggered a global financial meltdown. Methinks that would've happened regardless of who was in charge of this country.

As it is, the Tories have left a wondrous legacy which has meant chasing profits without giving a about your average Joe seems to be the order of the day. Take, for instance, the privatisation of British Rail. Services cut throughout the country and now we're faced with trains, overcrowding, late runnings, a service compared to the rest of the world but with constantly increasing ticket prices and profits for the rail companies. Wonderful.

Also, take a trip to somewhere like Goole or South Elmsall. Places where people had their jobs taken from them by Maggie with no real alternative provided. Places where society has broken down and where no one has much of a chance of getting out and making something of themselves - they're trapped in a vicious circle. Try telling them that the Tories left this country in a much better state than when they left. Yes, changes were needed, but not at the expense of the working classes.

I'm no fan of New Labour, who have drifted nearer to Tory policy of the years anyway and who, seemingly, have forgotten where they've come from and what they're about. But they're still far preferable than the Tories. There's nothing in their manifesto that I've seen that fills me with confidence that they'll make a better future for us.

What the Tories did for us
Sold off:-
Gas
Electric
Water
Introduced the Poll tax (My rates went from £550 to £1000 overnight)
British Rail
British Airways
British Petrolium
TSB
Used North Sea Oil to Fund Unemployment in the 80's to batter the unions
Closed the mines with 300 years of stocks left underground
Highest Unemployment in History (created own recession) nearly 4m
Inflation at 22%
Interest rates at 15% (mortgage up an extra £100 a month)
never won a World Cup
Shut down the ship yards by ordering battleships from abroad
Closed down the national Apprentice scheme creating a Skills Shortage
Cut the married mans tax allowance (party of the Family?)
Deregulated the Buses, now I have a private company in a monopoly in North West Manchester charging me twice as much as travellers in other parts of Manchester.
Introduced unregulated expenses scheme into Parliament
Part privatised the NHS
Took away free school milk
cut the Council housing stock with the right to buy scheme
Introduced Housing Benefit direct to landlords so that they got their money whoever they put in their houses result massive degeneration across many cities in England such as Salford House price collapse.
How much as it cost nationwide now to ensure landlords got their rent about £40b



Now should I vote Tory?

Not to mention dragging is into the European Union!

P.S. still waiting for an answer regarding Steffan Ratchford.

no Steffan is staying he is the future

I thought Garlic Bread was?

thats now the past



keep up

You missed off appeasement

wasn't garlic bread replaced by cheese cake

A CAKE OF CHEESE!

Are you sure we can't have Ratchford?

You can have Ratchford if you build Salford a new ground.

Scanners from your reply you don't actually know what the Tories did, I will take a few of your points, The utilities, now making massive profits due to overcharging, if still in government hands there could be an OAP rate instead of giving a cold weather payment which goes straight into the shareholders pockets. Two years ago Norway gifted British Gas 6 months supply free of charge because they couldn't store it, this saving was never past on, if there is a raise in the wholesale price of gas the raise comes in normally 3 months after because we are told thats how far in advance the gas is purchased, when there is a cut in WP the cuts can take upto a year to be given to the consumer again the gas people say they buy a year in advance.

Inflation 1982 under thatcher 22%

My Mortgage was affordable but I signed for it at 7.5%

The Buses I have First Bus weekly pass £15.50
Manchester East and South have a couple of companies weekly pass £8.00

I worked for the Employment Service under the Tories, the Back to work teams were introduced then, only they were actually the back to bed teams with hundreds of thousands of claimants moved off unemployment benefit to sickness and other benefits, and the Tories used the claimant count, Labour don't use that because it generally produces a figure about 30% less than actual unemployed, isn't the current scheme to move people of sickness/incapacity benefit?

Direct payment meant that the landlord did not have to go round to collect the rent a real hassle as I know to my cost, so if the money is paid direct to the landlord they don't care who they have in, remember all the housing adverts DHSS welcome because it meant the landlord got paid for little effort and once you get the problem family in the whole street starts to lose value, ask the people of Seedley and Langworthy about it, and the landlords can pick up other properties below market value and stick another family in, money for old rope. Labour have now introduced the Landlord Licence Scheme as well to ensure that properties are properly maintained.
I am now bored Scanners you vote Tory

Pev,

Scanners, like all tories, remembers the good things that happened under the Tory governments like, er...


erm...

Inflation under Thatcher never hit 22%. If you know your stats you will see that in the four years 1974 to 1977 inflation was higher in that period than at any time since WW1, peaking as it did at 24%.

In 1979 as Thatcher took over it was at 13%. It stood at 3% in 1997.

If you believe that Labour hasn't shifted millions off the headline unemployment figure and changed which benefits are included in unemployment calculations, then you are in denial.

You seem to be forgetting that the majority of housing in Salford is social housing provided by the state, how are private landlords responsible for the social housing slums in Salford or elsewhere in the country?

If payment wasn't pai direct, the tenants would spend the money themselves and end up in arrears then be out on the street..............I see adverts for private rented housing all the time and an awful lot say no DSS.

By the way, how much are the utility companies overcharging? Norway really gave away 6 months supply of gas for free? You sure?

I don't see why the state should own utility companies. State ownership, as proven in many industries under Labour regimes and union control, leads to huge inefficiencies, lack of innovation, massive costs to the taxpayer and puts the country in a position where ti can be crippled by militant unions. Winter of discontent??

The free market regulates price and usage levels far better than any state control. Free market rules.

Anyway, back on topic, what's the crack with the new stadium?

Will a Tory government mean that Salford Council won't have the money it has promised to the project? Given that Salford is classed as a deprived area, can the council justify £20m for such a scheme when the money could be much better spent elsewhere?

If the Salford club can't afford a new facility and can't get sufficient funds from the private sector, surely it is time to look at the fact that the club cannot compete at the top level, and to seek a more realistic level to compete at?

You seem to be forgetting that the majority of housing in Salford is social housing provided by the state, how are private landlords responsible for the social housing slums in Salford or elsewhere in the country?

If payment wasn't pai direct, the tenants would spend the money themselves and end up in arrears then be out on the street..............I see adverts for private rented housing all the time and an awful lot say no DSS.


The majority of houses that lost value were privately owned now surely you can see that, in Seedley and Langworthy there only 5% council houses, the rest privately owned. A certain Social Landlord moved into the area in the early 90's and took in tenants who local concils had kicked out. These were mostly problem families, and they brought their problems with thme hence the decline, other private landlords also then moved in and did the same because of the ease at getting rent.
Your last comment refers to today where private landlords do not want the problem of having to get the rent of tenants. I lived and worked in Seedley and Langworthy through all this so I know what went on in fact I had a massive dossier on it and lost count of the number of "property developers" who moved into the area in the mid to late 90's with the resulting degeneration effect.
Read Andrew Marr's the Making of Britain with regards inflation.

To the Ground, Salford is not as deprived as it once once was, look at the Quays for the developments and Media City, the Council also invested £20m in the BBC Phil.

Cor, you had me going, there! Until you came out with that vintage comic gem I thought you were being serious.