everything i said in the last topic "drinking culture" that mysteriously vanished was spot on. They dont respect the coach, certain team mates or the crowd on last nights pathetic showing! John wilky- your club is in danger of blowing up, sort it before its too late. I have never witnessed such a clueless inept performance and thats coming from a guy that was at THAT Odsal masacre! Where do we go from here??? .......

Where do we go from here?

Well it wont be Jacksonville.

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Someone, can't remember who, pointed out last night, and I have to agree with them that McRae and Paul's media career probably has sod all to do with the posistion we are currently In. Everyone of our squad has things they take part in outside of RL and just because SM and RP's is high-lighted, they take the blame. I personally feel we would probably be better off getting rid of SM, but who would come in? Cullen? McCormack?

I personally think Simms would get the job and I don't think that would be to bad of a decision, look back to the '07 season, the best rugby we played in that season, and arguably the best we have played since was when Simms and Lowes were in charge.

on the way to the game had gmr on in the car listening to an interview with mcrae who said he could not believe why salford fans got so emotional and upset at a rugby result he said after all it is just a game and not the end of the world how can he make a statement like that is beyond me
well mr mcrae it may not be the end of the world and the result may not care much to you but it sure does to me and most of the salford fans i can hack losing but its the perfomances on the pitch which i cant put up with no pride in the shirt from some of the players
so from now on i will not be so emotional at our away games because i wont be there i will keep my hard earned cash say around 50 quid for me and my lad to get in with a couple of pints and bite to eat firmly in my pocket

Exactly the same feeling from me mate! I have my ST so am commited to the Home games but I refuse to waste any more of my hard earned cash going to away games to watch this cr@p. After 45 years of watching Salford I have finally had enough of this endless rubbish and pretence. Last night was the final straw - a clueless display by players who often try hard but are simply not up to the job, unsupported by other players who seem to be disinterested, led by a Coach who doesn't seem to have their respect or a Plan A, let alone a Plan B. A Coach who doesn't seem to understand the passion of the supporters???? A free holiday to Florida, where they can behave either like idiots or animals depending on which rumour you follow - get them on the Brecon Beacons next January if its team spirit and grit the team need? Haven't we all the sports technology we require at Salford Uni?
I am equally incensed by the 'pulling' of the thread questioning the drinking culture amongst the players, where an arrogant WAG called supporters "Fickle" and "Idiots" for not knowing the secrets of the real story - has such censorship spread to our supporters board? What will ever happen to the new ground? Everyone is told a different story and, frankly, I am sick of it all. I used to look forward to the games and love shouting my team on; win, lose or draw but how the hell can you get inspired by a trip to Knowsley Road with the so-called 'team' we have now?

OK, the thread has now been de-HullKRed, and is 2 and a half pages shorter now. Can we please keep on topic?

How in God's name would you know?!

Long distance keyboard warrior with no knowledge or first hand experience of this year's squad

... yep, you're perfectly places to make critical comments!




McRae was quite warmly accepted by most on here when he arrived. I don't remember many doing somersaults in excitement but at least he was a 'household name' with plenty of experience.

Admittedly there were plenty of Hull FC fans warning us about him, and even some Saints and Souths fans, but we're pretty much stuck with him now. Does anyone on here really expected JAW and Co to dig even deeper into their pockets to pay him off, then replace him, when there's no threat of relegation?

I don't like the way we're playing at present any more than anyone else but to demand the coaches' head after 4 games in a new league is ust ridiculous - we're starting to sound like Wire fans!

Because JAW isn't as head-strong or prone to knee-jerk reactions as most of our fans I full expect McRae to be given at least half a season to build things up. I only hope that the fans are willing to stick around until that time, because otherwise we might be getting smaller crowds than Swinton?!

It would appear that our long serving captain has been stripped of his title because of ... how can I say this????????? A disagreement with Mr McRae in Florida!!!!

Apart from that and the appearance that non of the players seem to want to play for him (the only reason they rallied in the 2nd half was because of what the fans did at half time), I don't believe he is a very good coach.
1. He plays one out football.
2. The changes he made last night were enforced by injury except for 1
(he played a stand off on the wing and dropped Mark Henry, who while he hasn't set the world on fire can hardly be blamed for all 52 points at Cas now can he???)
3. His defensive pattern is based on an outdated stack defence which leaves our wingers exposed to a long cut out pass.

To young Danny who thinks we should have Steve Simms, he wouldn't know his from his elbow let alone a decent Rugby player. Ask yourself who signs these players? Mr Simms!!!!

I don't want a household name!!!! John Monie wasn't a household name til he went to Wigan and look what he did.

Not wanting to let the truth get in the way of a good rant, but isn't it actually our coach who selects the players he wants to sign, and Simms simply does the deal with the player/agent?

Correct, but most of the anti Simms brigade can't see that.

No wonder, all he does is enjoy free holidays in Australia at our expense?!

So does that actually mean you blame Mcrea then Shirl? Or are you protecting Simms?

Friday night what a load of rubbish all I can say is thank god we have a few years to sort this out.

Simms does nothing that he can be held accountable for. So looks like he's got a job for life.

As long as he sorts out one of his mates with the coaching job again when Mcrae goes though we'll be alright.

Simms was on the stage before the game in the Willows. He said Quins are different to Cas and Wakey(I believe) in that we will come down the middle. What a shock it must have been for him when we scored after 90 seconds in the corner. Followed by stacks more in the corner. Does he not watch the opponents videos. We played the same against Manly etc. Bizarre.

Does he also not think teams change tactics to out do the opposition and expose weaknesses.

Quinns watch the vidoes of the other two games and come up with a game plan similar to them as these exposed our weaknesses good coaching.
McRae assumes that the Quinns would not do that but stick to their usual game Like the Reds do poor coaching

He may not have been one here, but he won the NRL (or NSWRL as it was then) with Parramatta in 1986.

john sharp would be a good shout, he got hudds defence pretty solid

Bring back Jimmy Lowes?

I go back many years now but we had another figure at this club who fulfilled much the same role as Mr Simms (namely Albert White). He signed a load of crap as well and while successive coaches were sacked he sat in his ivory tower immune from public criticism and secure in his job.

History is repeating itself!!! If it is Mcrae that signs them then what is Simms job and why are we paying him money to do PISS ALL.

One out ALL out for the management please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't be serious, Albert White's role at Salford was chief scout, Simms is football director and he's only responsible for negotiating player deals and has nothing to do with deciding who we sign. The role of Simms is to talk to agents and determine who is available and then pass that on to the coach to decide who he wants.

As for Albert White signing crap i disagree, imo he signed some good players on a very limited budget over his years at the club.

I know for a fact that White could identify every decent kid on the circuit but we just couldn't compete financially and we didn't have the same pulling power against the likes of Wigan, Saints, Warrington and Widnes.

Lets stop calling for every coaches & managers heads every time the team is going through a bad patch because the players aren't performing. It's obvious from some players body language that we have a couple of very bad eggs in our team/squad at the moment so let the coach/managers do their jobs and smoke the overpaid rats out one by one!

Its a bad patch but can you see any light at the end of the tunnel?, We are going to ride it out as there is nobody better out there to replace Mcrae

You mean the over paid rats that they signed!!!!!!!!!

People keep saying that simms does all the negotiating. What are his qualifications for that job? Football dirctor my armpit!! Jobs for the boys.... same old story. we are wasting money on him that could be used to buy better quality players.

I believe It's the coach that ultimately decides who Salford sign within their player budget and not Steve Simms. I'm informed that Simms discusses with agents which players are available and roughly what the players terms are and then he goes to the coach with a long list of players out of contract.

Just because Simms negotiates the contracts after the coach tells Simms he wants players X,Y & Z does not mean Simms is responsible for choosing who Salford sign.

As for Simms qualifications for negotiating contracts, he's been doing the job for several years now so I'm pretty sure he's qualified more than most to negotiate financial terms with players agents!

As for the overpaid rats comment, let's just say teams never know what you have until after they have signed certain players. It's a risk signing any player and the bad eggs don't always surface straight away. I'm sure all clubs suffer them, it's how you deal with them that counts.

As for wasting money on Simms that could be spent on better players isn't true because Simms salary is not in the players salary cap. . . and as far as I'm aware Salford are their maximum cap for their level of income.