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| Quote ="Fozzysalforddevil"I understand them giving the youth a good chance that i can have no complaints with but he should of mixed it both this game and the next. And then gone with what he thinks will be his starting team against Warrington in his last friendly. That's just my opinion i guess these games don't really matter to much unless like me yesterday you spend a small fortune watching it!'"
In fairness the squad for the game was announced publicly last week and nobody was forced to go.
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| I stupidly already paid for my train tickets!
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| SSDD.
I was thinking I'm looking forward to the start of the season and i am, but what I haven't missed is the bitching and grumbling.
What do people seriously expect from a pre season game?, Harris obviously wanted to blood a few youngsters and see how they coped, pretty certain more first team players will be involved next week and then a pretty much full strength outfit will play in the last friendly. We've complained for God knows how long about not being a professionally run outfit yet now we have one and a coach who seems to be going about things in the right way people still can only find negatives.
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| oh well a good performance against Swinton and this will all be forgotten about!
Still positive about the season ahead and some of the youngsters like i said in an earlier post did themselves no harm!
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| Harris' team selection yesterday was a bit strange considering dewsbury are the strongest team we play in pre-season. However most of the team we put out have either played super league or been a standout at championship level, so we shouldn't blame the youngsters because in my opinion they performed as well as some of the first teamers yesterday. Senior players should have produced more, only jay Walton looked fired up for the game. Scott Taylor was shocking.
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| I heard Scott Taylor had a shocking game and looked over weight. He hasnt had much game time at wigan so maybe abit rusty so he could only get better
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| Let's just say he wasn't at his best yesterday but for me he will be amongst the 17. I thought Forster did himself no harm yesterday!
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| Am I really reading some of these comments. I’m pretty certain before the game, the vast majority of the squad were looking forward to the game and wanting to impress coaches, families and supporters. Many were making their first team debuts and at 19 years of age, in their first competitive game for the club are you telling me they didn’t give 100% effort?
Sure it was a disjointed performance, strewn with errors but this is a team that has been thrown together in their first hit out of the season. We had players playing out of position against a very experienced and solid Dewsbury side. It was even Hocks first game back since July.
I am sure the experience of being involved the first team coaches and playing against a much higher quality of opponent than they are use to in front of a decent crowd will have served those lads well.
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| Quote ="Redidiot"Harris' team selection yesterday was a bit strange considering dewsbury are the strongest team we play in pre-season. However most of the team we put out have either played super league or been a standout at championship level, so we shouldn't blame the youngsters because in my opinion they performed as well as some of the first teamers yesterday. Senior players should have produced more, only jay Walton looked fired up for the game. Scott Taylor was shocking.'"
I don't think anyone is blaming them. This was a fantastic opportunity to shine and it shows the clubs investment in their development. For many of them I'm sure it didn't go as well as hoped but it's character building and I'm sure they will of learned from the experience. Today is a new day and it's back to the hard work with the added determination to improve.
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| John I wasn't suggesting the youngsters weren't trying, quite the opposite. I do think it was strange to throw so many of them in without more senior players around them. Some of them looked to have potential, we have to remember the weather conditions made it a slug fest, which isn't ideal for teenagers to make their debuts. I'm a big advocate of youth, I even try to watch the 19's, but this was the wrong game and the wrong way to blood so many.
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| Quote ="Redidiot"John I wasn't suggesting the youngsters weren't trying, quite the opposite. I do think it was strange to throw so many of them in without more senior players around them. Some of them looked to have potential, we have to remember the weather conditions made it a slug fest, which isn't ideal for teenagers to make their debuts. I'm a big advocate of youth, I even try to watch the 19's, but this was the wrong game and the wrong way to blood so many.'"
Perhaps so, but I don’t think Harris would have been too concerned about individual performances. As of this season, there will be very limited opportunities to give players from the U19’s first team experience due to the importance of every single league game (due to promotion/relegation). As a big advocate of youth himself, IH and the coaching staff obviously felt yesterday was the perfect opportunity to provide those players with such experience.
If we have an injury crisis and one or two of those lads who played yesterday are needed to be called upon in a Super League game, the benefit of yesterday will be a big bonus to them.
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| Accept your point;
On a positive note, it was a forward battle. I thought Menzies and Forster did well and will have put themselves in Harris' thoughts. Hood had some moments with the ball. Gee fronted up well and Lannon looked dangerous. All young so things maybe not as bad they could be..
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| I do feel he could of blooded the youngsters in half yesterday and half next week. A mixture of youth and experience but i guess Harris knows better then myself!
I'm hoping Files gets more of a crack next week as 10 mins at the end was not enough for me!
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| Quote ="Redidiot"Accept your point;
On a positive note, it was a forward battle. I thought Menzies and Forster did well and will have put themselves in Harris' thoughts. Hood had some moments with the ball. Gee fronted up well and Lannon looked dangerous. All young so things maybe not as bad they could be..'"
I agree, certainly wasn’t as bad as the score line suggested. Errors and individual mistakes were disappointing but given the conditions and experience forgivable.
I said in another thread that I expect Forster and Menzies to surprise a few people this season, I think both will play more than they sit-out.
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| Quote ="faddy860"I heard Scott Taylor had a shocking game and looked over weight. He hasnt had much game time at wigan so maybe abit rusty so he could only get better'"
He was the biggest diapoointment to me. Didnt look right at all. I said to my dad that he looks like he was playing with a minor injury but now i think about it I cant see why he would be in a pre-season friendly. Probably just out of shape and not fully fit.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Am I really reading some of these comments. I’m pretty certain before the game, the vast majority of the squad were looking forward to the game and wanting to impress coaches, families and supporters. Many were making their first team debuts and at 19 years of age, in their first competitive game for the club are you telling me they didn’t give 100% effort?
Sure it was a disjointed performance, strewn with errors but this is a team that has been thrown together in their first hit out of the season. We had players playing out of position against a very experienced and solid Dewsbury side. It was even Hocks first game back since July.
I am sure the experience of being involved the first team coaches and playing against a much higher quality of opponent than they are use to in front of a decent crowd will have served those lads well.'"
Dewsbury had debutants aswell and they had some of their young lads playing. We still should have won. I agree that its not the end of the world, but the attitude of our pack was disappointing. I thought Hock did try actually (although he made quite a few errors), it was our other forwards who disappointed.
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| Fair amount of effort put in by the younger lads , but there was a serious size mismatch - notably lumbering Carl Price opposite a skinny Connor McGrath.
Dewsbury played their 1st choice side & played style to suit their particular pitch conditions:-a Cow trodden short & narrow pitch.
It would be silly to draw any conclusions from the game other than it was 80 minutes game time.
Some comments that some of the players weren't putting the effort in are wide of the mark there were some committed performances put in from the U19 lads having to put a heavy tackling stint in on the back of a lop-sided penalty count & losing Adam Walne to a red Card 15 minutes from the end, for a high tackle on Rob Spicer.
Brad England took his try well , and we had two tries struck off ( A grubber try from Liam Hood for offside & a try from Brad England from a miss -out pass from Hock ).
better conditions & a firmer pitch might have made a closer match up.
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| Are you a Salford fan Mario, a question you've been asked a couple of times but studiously avoided.
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| Quote ="MarioRugby"(although it was cold so a lot had coats on.)'"
What's the significance of that, then?
As for the game, I didn't see a lack of effort, I saw an inexperienced side that looked cold and rusty make a number of mistakes in dreadful conditions. Not really worth the upset, nor the major tactical analysis we're getting from some quarters.
And, as I said on the other thread, it was a pre-season friendly and I know a few who looked forward to seeing players you wouldn't normally expect to see. To get wound up because you've not seen a full strength squad in a friendly is a bit much.
I was more concerned that there were only two pubs left open in the centre of Dewsbury. Used to be a good drink around there. Someone claimed it was because everyone now walks into Batley for their evening's entertainment - think what you like about that one!
Oh, and their scoreboard is better than ours...
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| For what it's worth, I thought the game would have helped the lads who played yesterday - but it didn't do much for me, standing behind the sticks with a strong wind in our faces staring into the gloom created by two floodlight not working!!
On a serious note, it was a matter of concern to see us giving away so many penalties. If reports are to be believed referees will be using the Sin Bin much more this year and we can ill afford to risk going down to twelve men in such a competitive league.
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| It was a poor performance and a poor game all round yesterday, plus it was bloody freezing stood behind the sticks.
Dewsbury were a well organised team with a lot of super league experience, they probably had more super league experience that our squad did. Yesterday’s result will not have any bearing on the season ahead, I don’t think anyone particularly impressed, but the young lad on wing Conner McGrath tried hard. He got smashed a couple of times, but shown good pace to chase back another Dewsbury break. He also shown good feet by beating 3 or 4 players in the second half. Evalds made a couple of poor errors, but was still our most dangerous player going forward, he’s the only one who looked like breaking the line. Menzies and Foster both looked like they could do a job, but Taylor looked unfit to me (I suppose that’s to be expected).
I just hope we go out and do a decent job on Swinton now.
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| Quote ="Ave It!" Taylor looked unfit to me (I suppose that’s to be expected).
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Taylor looked ultra fit when he was at Wigan. Has he had an operation and missed a lot of pre-season training? Or do you think he's lost some sharpness because he joined us?
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| Quote ="theredshed"Taylor looked ultra fit when he was at Wigan. Has he had an operation and missed a lot of pre-season training? Or do you think he's lost some sharpness because he joined us?'"
I think it was down to covering more work than he would normally do with inexperienced players playing around him.
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| I think Taylor will go well this season, whenever i've seen him for Wigan or Hull KR i've been very impressed!
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| Quote ="Redidiot"Scott Taylor was shocking.'"
League Weekly gave him an 8/10.
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