Which proves that if the team are successful, more will come through the turnstiles.

That's a lovely way to describe and think of people who aren't as well off financially as you are. What a wonderful human being you must be.

By the way, if what you're accusing the stewards of is actually happening (personally I've never seen it, but never mind) then why don't you write to the club about it? I'm sure they'd love to hear what's going on.

Without a successful side, we're not going to get bigger attendances. It's as simple as that, new ground or not.

From what I remember the crowds aren't that different from most years in the 80s and 90s

They were McRae's fault then too

I've always wondered how this is any different to the people on here who brag about jibbing trains to away games or things like that?

To describe people who don't have a season ticket as scruffy is just idiotic, a friend of mine who due to family and work commitments doesn't have a season ticket I would suggest would be in the top 1% of earners in the crowd but by your rationale is scruffy??

Maybe we should a scruffy oiks section at the new ground? install the old style gutter in the floor urinals, no cover from the rain and as many roof supports to ruin thier view as possible.

You seem to be replying to the wrong person there.

No I didn't aim the rant about the scruffry people at GT, I may detest him but I'd not level anything against him for another persons comments.

I just found it commical to describe people as scruffy for not being season ticket holders.

People will not pay to see rubbish,the directors can go on until they are blue in the face.But that fact will not change,
they are still going on about getting,more away fan,s next season,so If every team brings 4.000 with them and 4.000
of us, they have got the break even figure.In my opinion the first marketing mistake they will make,is If we play on Friday
night,that will stop people coming over the M62.

Wakefield have a tv advert on itv Yorkshire. That might be a reason why they have a bigger home crowd too.

We cannot put an advert,in the Advertiser.

We should just fake them like the rest of the clubs, sorry for upsetting people but i was P***** of at how other clubs say there getting more than they actually are and we must of had atleast 5,500-6,000. Im coppying this from the ignito thread but they need to develop that abit and make toys or something like that for kids.

My worry is that Friday night traffic would stop people driving around the M60 to get to home games

As someone who used to work in Hanforth and not finish until 6 I've never missed an 8 kick off, the traffic on the M60 anti clockwise on a Friday is much lighter than other week nights.

That's encouraging. Don't have much experience of the M60 at that time of day/week - tend to avoid it like the plague - but on the odd occasion I've been forced roudn that way it's been chocka.

As a rule I used to factor in that rush hour started and finished 1 1/2 earlier on a Friday (used to be in transport so had to know this type of thing). You obviously can't take into account accidents and the like but on a whole a Friday is pretty much dead on the M60.
Another factor is that you don't get United playing on a Friday and that is a killer on the M60 with the idiots trying to cut the junctions as late as possible and creating havock.

We got over 6,400 against Crusaders, god knows why with the way we are playing.

TBF Glover has heavily marketed our games since taking over.
Some decent attendances the year we have by far our poorest squad.

You don't have to be a deity to conclude half price admission may have had something to do with it. Still a good turn out though if accurate.

TBH , I think Sunday 3 PM would work better , more time to get there and get parked , the access will be similar to DW stadium , more chance of away support turning up, suppose alot depends on the hospitality set up as one the main reasons for the move back to Fridays at the willows was the sponsorship / dining packages were easier to flog on an evening fixture rather than the Sunday . however it may be different at the new place ?

I think the new stadium will encourage familys back, alot of my work colleagues and friend's (and may i add I do not agree with it), are put off because of the location at the Willows. If people have their views of the willows and do not want to take their children, will they go to Barton i wonder?

The way we are playing at the moment I would be surprised at that turn out if it was free in.
The marketing of the club at the moment is great, the product is tripe.

I doubt it located between the Brookhouse estate and Irlam is hardly leafy Cheshire.

Funnily enough this was something I was going to post yesterday but then forgot;

People (outsiders) have a misconception that just because the Willows is old that its dangerous to go to and moving to a night shiny stadium is much safer yet I've just spotted that crime is higher per head in Barton than Weaste so far this year and yet nobody appears too bothered.

It's the cost that puts me off going. Putting prices up £1 every season is way above the inflation rate, coupled with appalling catering inside the ground (cans of Tetley's poured by some filthy chav-in-a-box into a plastic glass - can't they learn from Millennium Magic?). I dread to think where we'll be in 3 years time.

If they had stayed at £14 for a few seasons we wouldn't have seen the 50% of fans walk away from the game. It's not the same at other clubs where attendances are increasing (*awaits the cherry-picking of Bradford in rebuttal*)

In a new Stadium with new facilities?

Yeah im starting to dread of how bad moving to a new stadium can possibly be!

Not disagreeing with your point at all, but can you think of any clubs who have increased their attendance as a results of their ticket prices??