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| Sure the RFL and SL will be loading vans with bags of cash as we type before hot footing it over the Pennines to bail you out ala Bradford.
If not, WHY NOT? Cos that would stink to high heaven and smack of double standards if you ask me, are the RFL saying Salford are not as important as Bradford? People keep telling me the RFL are not bent or biased, time will tell.
Seriously hope all ends well for you guys
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| Quote ="eccles star"Does not surprise me. What makes you think it's tax bill could be something else entirely'"
No one has suggested it is a tax bill. We're all fully aware that it isn't a tax bill. Iain was just using an example of a previous petition brought against the club.
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"Sure the RFL and SL will be loading vans with bags of cash as we type before hot footing it over the Pennines to bail you out ala Bradford.
If not, WHY NOT? Cos that would stink to high heaven and smack of double standards if you ask me, are the RFL saying Salford are not as important as Bradford? People keep telling me the RFL are not bent or biased, time will tell.
Seriously hope all ends well for you guys'"
Do you think they will?
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Out of interest, who exactly is in the 'Head in the sand' crew?
It's a genuine question and not an y retort.'"
Those who have been going for 5 minutes and have a pop at anybody with a realistic view as oppose to just thinking that everything Salford is wonderful.
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| So if it's over a 'Small' amount of money....
[size=200PAY IT !!![/size
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| I wonder what a multi-millionaire's definition of a 'small' amount of money is?
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| Nobody takes you to court over a small amount of money least of all your advisor and sponsor, in this case Steuer Gregsson but it would seem in this instance that is the case.
This is a real shame if it causes the loss of one of our Rugby League clubs and i really do mean that.You would hope the RFL come in with some package to assist Salford just as they have Bradford. It could well be a blessing in disguise if the petition goes through and the club is liquidated as at least it gives any new owner a blank canvas to work with.
I have a number of good friends who loyaly watch your club and I trust it gets sorted out for there sake as much as anything else.
It hasn't been forgotten that last season the Salford club gave us a base from which we had our most sucessful season in years, so i do wish you club all the best.
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| An explanation of what a winding up petition is, how it works and how much it costs here:
[urlhttp://www.companyrescue.co.uk/company-rescue/guides/what-is-a-winding-up-petition[/url
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| Indeed - I would expect that the rfl give the same assistance to Salford as they have to Bradford. I really cant see how they can do anything else tbh- without losing every scrap of credibility that remains. So no players to be sold and help with wages. Hopefully this will encourage the supporters to come out and buy tickets etc.
Hope all goes well guys.
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| Shocking, the club brings in a company to prepare for new investment and they in turn issue a winding up order, I'm guessing they've not been paid for the work they've done.
It really is shocking - I wish we as fans could set up a breakaway club or buy this lot out - Salford in the conference is better than no Salford.
This may not be for a large amount - but its the second one in the last 12-18 months (after the revenue brought one)
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| Quote The creditor must allow 7 clear days after the serving of the petition on your registered office, before the petition can be advertised. It must be advertised 7 days before the petition hearing date. It is possible to stop the advert if you act fast.'"
so it costs over 2K to initiate the court proceedings , the club has had a week to settle the claim but has chosen not to or was unable to .
so we're so flat broke we can't settle a ' small matter ' , or the club is disputing the monies owed to S.G..
the negative publicity is far worse damage than the money , in public confidence & credibility at a time when they should be basically collecting cash from season ticket sales ....
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| Quote ="Gruffy"
This may not be for a large amount - but its the second one in the last 12-18 months (after the revenue brought one)'"
Really do hope it's not a small final straw on the camels back ...... and agree with most - if RFL don't put the same effort into saving Salford as they did with Bradford, then they can shove their SL up their double standard backsides ..... the league has enough problems without further splits based on perceived size/importance ......
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| Really hope you avoid everything we went through. I certainly don't recommend the experience.
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| Is this a wind up?
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| Quote ="middleman" ' small matter ' , or the club is disputing the monies owed to S.G..
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I am very close to the point of not really giving a s#it anymore about Salford and RL in general but this is what I heard several weeks ago.
SG was initially brought in by the club as consultants. The club agreed in advance to pay them a set figure for this work. The consultants then took it upon themselves to do additional work on behalf of a third party. SG then incorrectly assumed they would be paid despite having no formal agreement to undertake the extra work.
Following a disagreement or refusal of payment SG then decided to invoice the club for the additional work despite having no written/verbal agreement with Salford RLFC.
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| Quote ="theredshed"........
SG was initially brought in by the club as consultants. The club agreed in advance to pay them a set figure for this work. The consultants then took it upon themselves to do additional work on behalf of a third party. SG then incorrectly assumed they would be paid despite having no formal agreement to undertake the extra work.
Following a disagreement or refusal of payment SG then decided to invoice the club for the additional work despite having no written/verbal agreement with Salford RLFC.'"
Like I said in an earlier post, these consultancy firms are often very quick off the mark in going to law as they have no other levers. If what redshed says is right, then clearly the club should fight their corner - if SG cannot show a purchase order for the work allegedly done then they cannot expect payment - simple.
So who is in the right here? Will we ever find out?
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| Quote ="theredshed"I am very close to the point of not really giving a s#it anymore about Salford and RL in general but this is what I heard several weeks ago.
SG was initially brought in by the club as consultants. The club agreed in advance to pay them a set figure for this work. The consultants then took it upon themselves to do additional work on behalf of a third party. SG then incorrectly assumed they would be paid despite having no formal agreement to undertake the extra work.
Following a disagreement or refusal of payment SG then decided to invoice the club for the additional work despite having no written/verbal agreement with Salford RLFC.'"
If that is the case then the club are justified in not paying and fighting this order?
I don't fully understand what a winding up order is but if the club were found guilty and wound up would that then allow someone new to walk in with no debts attached? if so could possibly be a blessing in disguise and make the possiblity of buying the club a much more attractive proposition.
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| While anything of this nature is not good news, there is no immediate danger of Salford going out of business. As aluded too, the amount is small in relative terms and in general terms (without direct reference to this case) any dispute can relate to a principle or refusal to pay based on the nature or quality of the work provided, as well as an inability to pay, or any number of other reasons.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"If that is the case then the club are justified in not paying and fighting this order?
I don't fully understand what a winding up order is but if the club were found guilty and wound up would that then allow someone new to walk in with no debts attached? if so could possibly be a blessing in disguise and make the possiblity of buying the club a much more attractive proposition.'"
Not quite as straight forward as that, any new company would have to apply for a rugby league licence depending on which division they applied for. it would then be up to the other clubs to vote them that licence, before they can even operate as a club. Yes the debts would be clear but the new company would need to build trust within the RL community.So whilst it could be a good thing it can also be bad.
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| what happend to the holdsworth money?
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| You ain't going to be wound up for a small amount. I can't see how the club can be confident of winning the case if that was so we would not got to a winding up petition in the first place as they would have sorted it by now. The must have a case against club or wind up order would not have been granted.
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| Quote ="eccles star"You ain't going to be wound up for a small amount. I can't see how the club can be confident of winning the case if that was so we would not got to a winding up petition in the first place as they would have sorted it by now. The must have a case against club or [iwind up order[/i would not have been granted.'"
Good grief!!! There is NO winding up order granted. All that has happened is that Steur Greggson have had a winding up PETITION filed - if it goes to a hearing - 29th October THEN the court will decide. Anyone CAN file a petition if they pay the fee to the court. Many years ago I once issued a winding up petition for The Royal Bank of Scotland over an unpaid invoice - what it does do is concentrate the mind because if you don't respond then it is assumed that you are in the wrong and you just get wound up.
To say "you ain't going to be wound up for a small amount" is completely wrong - you can be wound up for any amount IF the debt is shown to be genuine and unpaid.
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"Good grief!!! There is NO winding up order granted. All that has happened is that Steur Greggson have had a winding up PETITION filed - if it goes to a hearing - 29th October THEN the court will decide. Anyone CAN file a petition if they pay the fee to the court. Many years ago I once issued a winding up petition for The Royal Bank of Scotland over an unpaid invoice - what it does do is concentrate the mind because if you don't respond then it is assumed that you are in the wrong and you just get wound up.
To say "you ain't going to be wound up for a small amount" is completely wrong - you can be wound up for any amount IF the debt is shown to be genuine and unpaid.'"
You have to agree it doesn't look good. Your correct that the amount is irrelevant other than just pay it or agree an out of court settlement. The worst part of all of this is that this is a club sponsor taking this action.
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| Quote ="Marshy1"You have to agree it doesn't look good. Your correct that the amount is irrelevant other than just pay it or agree an out of court settlement. The worst part of all of this is that this is a club sponsor taking this action.'"
Yes of course I agree it doesn't look good - but just let's suppose that the earlier post regarding submission of invoices for un-ordered services is correct and the SG lot are just playing the bully - it may be in the club's interest to go to court on the 29th and argue their case - who knows?
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