I think the Club does care, it just doesn't know how to go about it in any proper way. Incompetence is the big issue here.

...ES it's 'Our' BTW.

Ask yourself why he wants out. Ask yourself what environment could possibly have been created around the club in order to make him "want out" so much. Ask yourself what's going on around the club at the moment to make so many supporters feel disillusioned. Then think again about who is to blame. If supporters don't want to be here next season, why on Earth would an extremely talented player who can get a better offer at a successful club?

If the lad had signed for Castleford or London (No disrespect) I could understand the point but he was wanted by the Superleague champions on a 3 year deal. Tell me any player playing for a bottom 4 team who would turn his nose up at the chance of playing for the champions with an extra 2 years of job security? This is just another poor excuse for certain people to have a pop at their own club, fuelled by frustration over the takeover.

The more that these kind of players leave the club... the keener I am for the start of the new season. I like the idea of seeing a group of players working hard to achieve something when written off.

Brilliant speech here from Phil Veivers. Well said. www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/veiver ... -committed

Brilliant speech here from Phil Veivers. Well said. www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/veiver ... -committed

The problem I have is that the players that seem to be nailed on to sign igf we get taken over smack of more of the same old.The more I hear about this situation the more it all seems to be about a holding position or simply a case of having a team of some sort.It doesn't seem to suggest a resurgent new start.

Good point , if there's one silver lining the squad remaining will have ridden the rough times with the fans and be deserving of our best support.
they're going to need it !
I have no doubt we'll be written off as the basement club,rightly so after this spiral of negative publicity and uncertainty a season on from the McRae- Parish farce
We've no experienced half backs or recognised Goal Kicker.
the Players let go or left were responsible for over 50 of the 110 SL tries and 47 try Assists , + the majority of breaks that got us into positions to set up these tries.
we're well into the preseason and what players Veivers may be able to add will therefore be a month behind on conditioning and on field tactics .
22 working days to Christmas and our 1st Pre season game is a little over 5 weeks away with..

The state of this club why would anyone be daft to want to put money in. The fans just want the truth and club just want are money. They were never going to get 8,000 fans are in dreamland as the club never challenge for out. Also friday night rugby is the worst idea ever said. Also people ask for things and never get reply on email why would anyone want to invest in poorest run club in the league. I know people have paid and ordered season tickets that are concerned now to weather they will get there tickets. The club are ignorant when it comes to its supporters

Maybe like many investors in business they see potential and can get the club on the cheap.

Lets face it, get a few key backroom staff and this club could be transformed.

In fact many fans on here could make suggestions to improve both the income and relations with the fans.

John Wilkinson and Howard Clague have done so much for the club but a time comes when we need new blood and ideas.

That time is now before this situation distroy all the passion and goodwill fans have.

As an outsider, I fail to see how this is the clubs issue. Moon comes to Salford of his own free will, signs a 3 year contract of his own free will and then takes Salford to tribunal to get out of that contract. If I sign a 24 month contract with talktalk, then take them to court a 1/3rd of the way through for wanting to get out, I would expect to lose.

So what does he do next says he is homesick and does not come back to train. I'm sorry but that's not the sign of a professional.

Salford have done the best for the club, they have got some money in the bank for a player who was effectively looking like going on strike.

I like the comment about Leeds being closer to Sidney than Salford.

It's fine for fans to throw their hands up and say we need x,y and z, ie we need new investors, but just because you want it, it does not mean it will happen. Surely Mr Wilkinson is not wanting to lose more and more money, who does??? Does Salford have a long history of potential investors being turned down, or is it just very hard to attract them.

As a Saints fan our own Mr Mac gets grief despite him and his fellow board members bankrolling our club through our losses. I'm sure if someone else wanted to pump money into these clubs the chairmen would gladly allow it to happen as it would take a huge weight of their shoulders.

You may as well bang your head against a brick wall with some of our fans, bewareshadows.

Your post reeks of common sense.

Shame most of the cretins who paddle the same old stuff will just ignore you.

Would you mind not coming on here and making too much sense it’s strictly frowned upon. This forum is for excitable, frustrated keyboard crusaders who like to criticise, villainize and slander absolutely everything do with the running of Salford City Reds.

Re: Vievers' comments - I like the cut of his jib.

I'm currently placing all my faith in Andrew Dixon being a hitherto undiscovered world-class goal-kicking fullback / centre (left or right) / stand off / scrum half. Or all of the above...

Butcher and redshed - you seem to just attack the people who make comments you don't like instead of saying anything about the issues.

It's nothing to do with being a keyboard warrior or a cretin, try opening your eyes to the state of our club.

Butcher, I recall you saying a couple of weeks ago that reports were that Moon had turned down an offer from Leeds to stay with Salford you wondered what the doom mongers what have to say about it. Well now he's left and as a doom monger and I can assure you it's not looking good!

Just a bit of pedantry - it is libel if it is written down and published, slander when done by the spoken word!

I think on reflection my original post was done much more in sadness than anger. The move to Barton was such an opportunity, much was done right in that we recruited better than we had for a good few seasons previously, but I think the past caught up with us - the Macrae wasted years, the Parrish fiasco etc.

When there should have been all effort going into building a sound foundation it seemed things were being put in place on shifting sands.

That's because I've lost count of the number of times I've asked a question in responce to a posters issue and it's been conveniently ignored, choosing to play the 'beach boy' get out card instead. And if you care to check earlier in this thread I did offer my views on this subject.

I agree with your original post on this thread.

The whole Barton move has been such a fiasco it's unreal. Hopefully, we survive this period and have a total sort out at the club, although I won't hold my breath.

As for Moon - he saw what a joke the club is and wisely wanted anyway. I don't blame him for one second. Strange how other clubs don't seem to have players in open revolt and constantly wanting away. Must be how well run we are.

But those of us who attempt to be constructive about this issue actually provide points for the debate, it just seems easy for some to look at this as if there's two sides: pro and anti club, when in reality, some of us are in the middle trying to promote a healthy debate on how things are going.

I'm still struggling to understand you reply to me, by the way. On the one hand you agree with me that a player is more likely to leave Salford, along with the lack of success and uncertainty around the future, for Leeds, a successful club with stability. On the other hand, you feel that's a poor excuse to point fingers at the way in which we're currently being run. Your "point" about my argument being more understandable if he'd gone to Cas or London is barmy, particularly as I talked about him getting a better offer at a =#FF0000successful club.

By the way, BartonFlyer is talking a lot of sense on this thread.

I think 'Attack' is a little strong. I welcome informed debate, with the emphasis on informed. I have no problem with anyone who has the opposite view of myself. I do have a problem with people who just say the same tripe in every post regardless of the topic. My eyes are open to the mess we are in, I just see little point in venting emotional ramblings based on little evidence, which is what a lot of people on here do.

As for Moon, as much of a blow as it is to lose him, I'd rather have someone who wants to play for us than a talented baby who can't get his own way. We'll undoubtedly miss his ability but not his attitude. On a personal level, any player from a 'bottom-half' Club offered a three year deal at the current SL Champions would be stupid to turn it down. Good luck to him.

Talk about Rats deserting a sinking ship
or the current directors, asset stripping, before they let the good ship SCR sink
It cannot be good for any new investors to see all assets disappearing
what kind of a team are we going to have ? perhaps we can borrow some players from Swinton
Only bright side, Admission prices will have to be reduced to watch the bottom of league SCR, or there will be no one watching
Worst pre season I have ever experienced in 57 years of following Salford
Seriously fear the worst

I suppose on the flip side, Scoot, if our expectations are rock bottom (Mine certainly are) we can only be pleasantly surprised if by some miracle we do anything this coming season...

What would you say was Moon's primary reason for joining Leeds?

A, Opportunity to join the Superleague champions and bag a 3-year contract?

B, Get away from Salford at any cost because of the off field issues despite an imminent takeover?

I'm struggling to see what more we could have done to keep him. Veivers spoke to him in Oz and he's coming back only then to not bother until he has manufactured a move to Leeds.

There was only two options.

Keep a player who has already taken us to a tribunal to get out of his contract and who in all probability would have gone missing throughout the season.

Or make use of a very saleable asset.

Can anyone see a big company like Peel being part owners of the club investing significant money and then not following through and maximising that investment by not getting the signings Vievers wants? For me it's a bit of a no brainer.

Mainly A, however considering how long the saga's been dragging on, I'd suggest B may well have had something to do with it. If he thought things were rosy here and we were looking towards a bright future he may well have hung on. I guess we'll never know. Maybe if the club finally gets put in the hands of people that can make it a well-run success we'll see an end to players jumping ship. Hopefully we'll finally find that out.