That's pretty much identical to my own thoughts. Under Armour do make some outstanding rugby shirts (google the Wales RU and Clermont Auvergne RU shirts to get an idea) but, for whatever reason, we've spurned the opportunity to go for a classy design that just might've appealed to those who aren't already diehards and instead come up with something that's remiscent of something from the bad old days of the early 90s.

The kit was actually the first item discussed at the first (and so far only) meeting of the 'fans board.' FWIW, the design was rejected overwhelmingly by those present (although some people were more enthusiastic about the away design (I wasn't amongst them!). The overwhelming majority actually expressed a preference to a design that was much more 'traditional' (red shirt, white trim) and IMO far superior.

Unfortunately, it seems that the design by this stage had already been signed off. You can imagine the surprise of those who were present at the meeting when the design they'd 'rejected' was launched last Tuesday.

I personally won't buy the shirt as I really don't like the design or the collar (it actually looks far too similar to last year's IMO) but hopefully many other people will do.

My New Kits arrived today complete with player signatures, i actually think they look a lot better in the flesh than they do in the designs and delivered before Christmas

not United because they've never sold any merchandise with red devils on it?

Quote ="Mike87"not United because they've never sold any merchandise with red devils on it?'" store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 9&cid=3965 How are you wrong about [ieverything[/i?

Quote ="Mike87"not United because they've never sold any merchandise with red devils on it?'" store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 9&cid=3965 How are you wrong about [ieverything[/i?

seriously are you counting a Christmas tshirt?? It probably took you about 10 minutes to find that, all my man u gear (training tops) (tracksuits) (playing shirts) (hats) none have Red Devils on, it's a nickname the don't often use just like us when we were Salford City reds. If we market the RED DEVILS enough then it'll stick and we can use the name to our advantage.

I agree on this one. Bit pointless pointing out a rare one-off as an example to discredit your argument. A fairer way of doing it would have been to highlight it, but express that it was an exception rather than the norm. However, one-upmanship is strong on forums, so I wouldn't expect a great deal more.

Quote ="TheButcher"I agree on this one. Bit pointless pointing out a rare one-off as an example to discredit your argument. A fairer way of doing it would have been to highlight it, but express that it was an exception rather than the norm. However, one-upmanship is strong on forums, so I wouldn't expect a great deal more.'" How about this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 9&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 5&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 0&cid=3970 How many bits of regular, non-festive merchandise do I need to post before I'm discrediting a statement that was obviously nonsense rather than engaging in one-upmanship?

Quote ="TheButcher"I agree on this one. Bit pointless pointing out a rare one-off as an example to discredit your argument. A fairer way of doing it would have been to highlight it, but express that it was an exception rather than the norm. However, one-upmanship is strong on forums, so I wouldn't expect a great deal more.'" How about this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 9&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 5&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 0&cid=3970 How many bits of regular, non-festive merchandise do I need to post before I'm discrediting a statement that was obviously nonsense rather than engaging in one-upmanship?

Quote ="stouffer"How about this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 9&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 5&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 0&cid=3970 How many bits of regular, non-festive merchandise do I need to post before I'm discrediting a statement that was obviously nonsense rather than engaging in one-upmanship?'" You do realise that no matter how many examples you show it's still one-upmanship? There's also clearly far more merchandise without 'Red Devils' on it than with it. If you could statistically prove that there is more 'Red Devils' merchandise than not, then you would have a strong point. If you look at Mike's original point it finishes with a question mark and not a full stop. Indicating that he wasn't making a point in so much as asking if his point was valid. Replying that someone is 'wrong on everything' to that is not really contributing to the point at hand.

Quote ="stouffer"How about this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 9&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 5&cid=3965 Or this one? store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/p ... 0&cid=3970 How many bits of regular, non-festive merchandise do I need to post before I'm discrediting a statement that was obviously nonsense rather than engaging in one-upmanship?'" You do realise that no matter how many examples you show it's still one-upmanship? There's also clearly far more merchandise without 'Red Devils' on it than with it. If you could statistically prove that there is more 'Red Devils' merchandise than not, then you would have a strong point. If you look at Mike's original point it finishes with a question mark and not a full stop. Indicating that he wasn't making a point in so much as asking if his point was valid. Replying that someone is 'wrong on everything' to that is not really contributing to the point at hand.

No, it really isn't. The bit where I said "how are you wrong about everything?" probably was and, in fairness, I was being a bit y there. Unnecessary and unfair - sorry Mike. However, if we're not allowed to disprove an argument using actual evidence then what's the point? Let's all go and get our Terry Campese shirts printed up eh? You could easily have taken a minute to look at the United site before playing the self-appointed forum sheriff and throwing sanctimonious, passive-aggressive digs about but chose not to. C'est la vie.

The argument that 'United don't use Red Devils, therefore we can be the best known Red Devils' is plainly untrue. We are never again going to be [ithe[/i Red Devils to the general public - that ship has long since sailed. Whether that means we should drop 'Salford' or not, I honestly have no idea. My gut feeling is that, no, sporting clubs need a sense of place, but I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.

Evidence is great. Of course it is. But evidence is strongest when you provide plenty of it. I'd be interested to see what the statistical figure for merchandise with and without the Red Devils on it. I'm not that interested or have the time to find out for myself. What you've done is provide some evidence that backs up what you say, just not enough to throw the argument out.

As for the forum Sheriff rant, I find it interesting that you took anything I said to heart. All I did was take up a different position than you and I didn't think I was being offensive in any way. I think you're being a tad sensitive if you think I've been Domineering, sanctimonious, or passive aggressive. I thought you were a little bit of all three of those things towards Mike before I even entered the discussion which, to your credit, you acknowledged.

I suggest chilling a little bit. Have a coffee. Go for a poo.

Then I think maybe we can all be friends again.

I think if either of us could find the time to do a statistical analysis of United's merchandise then it's probably time to re-evaluate our lives. I'd argue, though, that having found 4 bits of current Red Devils stuff in literally about a minute suggests that, outside of Mike's wardrobe at least, it's really not uncommon. Again, I'm not arguing that it's United's main branding point, simply that we are never again going to be [ithe[/i Red Devils to the man in the street.

We'll also have to agree to disagree on the point Mike was making. From an earlier post 'Nah I never use the red devils when talking about United, it's mainly United or man u.' - it seems fairly obvious to me that he's incorrectly extrapolated from the personal to the general and a question mark doesn't change that.

Having said all that, life's far too short be a bellend on the internet (too often anyway) so I'm more than happy to draw a line under it...

It doesn't even have to have "Red Devils" on the merch for Utd fans to think it relates to their club. A few years back I was wearing a Salford City Reds coat and one of their fans started asking me what I thought about the game at the weekend. He was actually talking about a game United had played against Chelski and had seen the "Reds" and the devil on the logo and thought I was a member of some supporters group or something. Then again, as a typical United fan, he was from London

I'M NOT going to the Utd range or involving myself in the argument but want to point out that another club having a similar name does not preclude their existing in parallel.
United is a global company, we are a local one. They've publicly acknowkleged the moniker was taken from us. So jump on the coat tails.

If a firm in Korea sells 500 Red Devils' shirts and finds out they're RL shirts: what a chance to expand knowledge of our club and its heritage.
[size=85(Tho' knowing our luck, it'll be North Korea)[/size

An analogy, imagine Apple had appropriated the Apple moniker from a television manufacturer and never bought it out. I could see aplle TVs having a kudos and marketing position from that even though they were the older firm.

Like it or not, RL is a minority pursuit so use any and every advantage to grow.

NEW year resolution: review the English
My brain is working in predictive text,

I think our owner is trying to entice Man Utd supporters to follow (Salford) Red Devils, by using just the name Red Devils and having our playing shirt red and black, similar to Man U. Would think that the Dr himself designed it. I would love to see some White on it or go right back to original Red, Black and Amber.
I did mention to him at last years November on the road shows, that a few years ago Sheffield produced a shirt which had an Eagle, subtle, filling the full front of their shirt. It was so good that many other clubs fans bought one, now if Salford could produce a shirt with the Devil filling the full front of the shirt it could be quite a winner. But it appears to have fallen on deaf ears, perhaps he knows more than me. He obviously does otherwise I'd be a millionaire.

The point I was making on the other thread was about the wider perception of "red devils". Do people honestly believe that if someone was to stand on Market St in Manchester and ask 100 random people "in local sport, who are the Red Devils?" a majority would say that it's Salford rugby club?

As for that hat on the previous page. One similar (the kids one on the website) came up in conversation yesterday; the comment was that it looks like a snide Man United one off a market stall, one of those that's intended to be for united fans without infringing their trademarks.

Don't get m wrong, I think it was right to change from Salford City Reds to Salford Red Devils, I just don't think the general public are likely to immediately think of us when they read/see/hear the Red Devils being mentioned.

I guess the most likely search engine response would be :-
A football team - ' nearby '
A army Parachute display team
A Belgian National Football Team
A South Korean National Football Team
we would come 5th which is good going for a team who changed its moniker a little over 12 months ago

If you mentioned 'Salford' in terms of sport there wont be much of a shortlist , which is why I cannot understand removal of Salford from Red Devils

I have to admit I wasn't too sure about the new shirt when I first saw it but I think it looks a lot better being worn. I also like the shade of red and the red shorts.

Thought the same thing myself... need to see what the away kit looks like when worn then I might buy one.

Really like the subtle differences on the players version of the shirt. Any idea whether these might be available to buy?

Do prefer the lower neck line and contrasting UA signs on the players shirts.

Even though I liked it at first sight have to say even better when you physically see it.

I really didn't like the design when I saw them mocked up but in the flesh they look great (particularly the players ones).

Any ideas whether the players edition is available to purchase?

I know, it's almost like someone at the club know what they are doing, wonders never cease



I'd much prefer to shell out a little more and buy the players one, looks much better when you spot the differences.

And apparently you'll be able to buy them in the new store opening in January in the Lowry.

That's good progress for me, just think of all those Salford shop lifters wearing their ill gotten gains to promote the club

I'd certainly pay a little more too for the players one.