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| Lets say I pick half the games to go to and choose 7 out of the 13 home games...as a non-member that would cost me £126. As a member it would cost me £134. Bargain!!
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| Quote ="OrdsallRed"Lets say I pick half the games to go to and choose 7 out of the 13 home games...as a non-member that would cost me £126. As a member it would cost me £134. Bargain!!'"
You have to go to 9 games to make a saving on the single pay as you go membership (£158 v £162).
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| Quote ="OrdsallRed"Lets say I pick half the games to go to and choose 7 out of the 13 home games...as a non-member that would cost me £126. As a member it would cost me £134. Bargain!!'"
Yes but your forgetting the free away shirt and the magic weekend ticket.
The financial incentive of being a member is to make it more affordable for familes to attend more if not all the games! It's simple, if fans only choose to attend a few games during the season they pay the full price on the gate!
This new membership scheme seems a great idea to me especially considering all the whinging on this forum earlier this year about the cost of bringing the kids to the match being too expensive.
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| Free away shirt only applies to people buying the season ticket.
And whilst I agree that the membership idea in general is a good one and the family membership idea could well increase families going to the game, I feel it shouldnt isolate other sectors of the support which it seems to be doing at the minute.
If membership was £10 per person with a family membership at £20/£25 with similar benefits to what are on offer now then I think it would have been received a whole lot better than it has at the minute and could well have got a lot more support, both in take-up numbers and in back-slapping for the club.
I'm going to try and keep out of this debate/argument for a while now anywayas I think I've made my points fairly clear...its a brilliant idea for families and offers superb deals for them - not so good for single/individual fans.
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| Quote ="OrdsallRed"I know yr only joshing (or I hope so anyway!!) but it does raise a valid point - that the club are setting themselves up for a whole heap of extra work for themselves if they are having to verify everyone who lives at each address that applies for membership!!'"
I was indeed 'joshing' (great word by the way!) but, if you really wanted to, I'm sure you cold probably get away with this and use it as a way of making the cost less for fans that attend matches 'on their own'.
There's no practical way the club could verify who lives where and, even if they could, there's no way they could/would check that everynone who comes in is the person that is named on the season ticket.
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| last week it cost me £54 for two games at United I could not attend due to holidays (both cup matches) but as PR says going to Rugby league is a bargain, also the other week one of the contributors to this site (won't mention his name) attended the Sale Yawnion game that ended 15 - 12 all kicks no Tries and paid £28.50 to get in.
PS 4 numbers on the lottery covered the United costs.
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| "self-appointed intelligentsia "
looks like the Stalinists have arrived. The clunking fists of the shed.
My point is that it makes no difference if the club has offered to pay supporters to attend and if they gave away butties and beer, someone would find fault. So far we have had every reason not to attend from selling our best player (sic) to young single persons being discriminated against "including grannies being subsidised ).
Compare Sale Sharks - season tickets range from "value" at £199 to "Platinum" at £700. I will compare to the round ball game as they charge fantastic prices with little promise of as much excitement as at any Rugby game. OK Rochdale FC charges less - but the club is teetering on the edge of ruin as they cannot attract the fans. Hardly SUPER League.
We also have the sponsors reducing their financial support. Yet we expect improvement - players and games cost money. Like any business, prices go up.
Whatever the club do, too many see it in negative ways; that's not criticism but whingeing.
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"I was indeed 'joshing' (great word by the way!) but, if you really wanted to, I'm sure you cold probably get away with this and use it as a way of making the cost less for fans that attend matches 'on their own'.
There's no practical way the club could verify who lives where and, even if they could, there's no way they could/would check that everynone who comes in is the person that is named on the season ticket.'"
Unless the club ask to see photo id such as passports when you apply for a membership??
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| Quote ="theredshed"Unless the club ask to see photo id such as passports when you apply for a membership??'"
And how likely is that?!
Even if they did, what's to stop Orsall Red and his lover GT showing their passports, claiming to live at the same address (even though they don't - yet!) then getting two season tickets but only paying the £50 once?
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| Quote ="OrdsallRed"Lets say I pick half the games to go to and choose 7 out of the 13 home games...as a non-member that would cost me £126. As a member it would cost me £134. Bargain!!'"
I think the idea is to make it attractive to the people who are going to go to every game and maybe even some away ones with reference to the junior season ticket. If its cheaper to pay as a non member for only a few games then go ahead and do it. You work out what works out cheapest for you and do it. Simple. I have slagged the club off recently for the way things are run but it seems like some people are just moaning for the sake of it on this.
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| Quote ="Prestwich Red"£730 plus a minimum of £148.00 for a automatic cup scheme plus more if you opt in to Carling Cup games.
Compare that to Salfords season ticket and I think it is a bargain.
Look at say Boltons season ticket cost who I would say are a equivalent in football terms to Salford i.e will never win anything and will always be just above relegation(no offence to Bolton fans, but the truth hurts) and you will see RL still offers a good deal'"
Assuming you value your loyalty to the two teams in equal amounts I'd say Salford is beginning to look less attractive by the season. You have a choice between one of the finest stadiums in the World with modern facilities, a high level of football entertainment, some world class players (for both sides) and the chance to watch a side that you know is going to do well.
Compare to that Salford where you can watch a bunch of incredibly mediocre players get beat most weeks by what are generally marginally less mediocre players in a 110 year old shed.
Even some of the things that you used to seperate watching Salford from watching United (a good atmosphere and far less tools) no longer apply.
In fact thinking about it the positives Salford have in comparison are that the beer doesn't cost as much and you can stand without being hassled.
Still think it's good value by comparison?
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| Quote ="chrismum"I have slagged the club off recently for the way things are run but it seems like some people are just moaning for the sake of it on this.'"
I think, for the first time in a long time, that there is a decent debate on here with regards to this ST announcement and far from people moaning for moanings sake they are expressing their opinions...I, along with others who don't have families to help subsidise the costs, have already said that the idea is a great one in theory but to just apply it to families is short-sighted.
And comparing Salford to Nited (or any other PL football club) isn't a fair one...as DR rightly points out the facilities are far and away better at most, if not all PL games...we should compare our prices to those of Huddersfield (who have much better facilities than us) or with Castleford both of whom are cheaper than us.
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"And how likely is that?!
Even if they did, what's to stop Orsall Red and his lover GT showing their passports, claiming to live at the same address (even though they don't - yet!) then getting two season tickets but only paying the £50 once?'"
It was my understanding that memberships are for families, such as married couples and their children, step-children etc.
If it also applies to people living together I would then assume that GT would have to provide some document(s) proving that GT lives at the same address as Ordsall Red? Who knows maybe the club have access to an online electoral register allowing them to check the legitimacy of each membership application.
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| For those comparing top flight football to rugby league, don't bother — they are incomparable. Lower Championship/League One is a better comparison.
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| I wonder how many season ticket holders wear their shirts? And go to the Magic weekend? (N.B. I got my Magic ticket for £2 — filthy student rates.)
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| Quote ="Chico"I wonder how many season ticket holders wear their shirts? And go to the Magic weekend? '"
Looked like we had about 150 tops there last year (unless there were loads in the upper stand).
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| Quote ="Diavolo Rosso"snip'"
I am seriously pi$$ed off with United at present.
I opted out of the Wolves game as I am working away as I was not going to lose £37.00 of my cash.
This now means I can not apply for away games any more (not that I get a ticket anyway in the ballot) it also means that I will probably not get a cup final tkt IF United get through to a final.
I could not go to Wolfsburg as again I am away, luckily someone bought this off me as there is no way you can get your money back for this.
Added to the fact that the football this year has apart from the Derby been tedious to say the least.
So if SL ever gets like football and the clubs rip off there fans then I will walk away from that.
As for Salford , the victories are so much sweeter as they are not expected. I can go to any away game without having to go into a ballott, If we ever got to a Cup final I would not be excempt from applying due to the fact I misssed a reserve team playing and finally it is as i have said good value for money.
P.S no I would never ever even thinkof going over to the dark side (FCUM)
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| Quote ="Chico"For those comparing top flight football to rugby league, don't bother — they are incomparable. Lower Championship/League One is a better comparison.'"
What if you love watching rugby and don't particularly like football? . . . It's reasonable value for those people isn't it?
The closest example for me was when somebody mentioned in an earlier post about having to pay £28.50 to watch a Sale Sharks match!
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| Quote ="Iain"Looked like we had about 150 tops there last year (unless there were loads in the upper stand).'"
Hotels in the vicinity have cottoned on too. Look how high their rates have gone up.
Another point: if you are/were in the position that you'd have to pay £180, how do you feel about the substantial rise given Salford's off-field woes and uninspiring recruitment thus far?
Do you mind paying the extra? Are you going to wait until the 2010 squad is complete before committing? Or until some concrete news is released on the new stadium (pardon the pun)? Would you rather the situation be clearer i.e. pleading for the extra money upfront because the club need it rather than trying to bamboozle you into wrapping the amount into a membership/benefits scheme?
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| Quote OrdsallRed wrote: Lets say I pick half the games to go to and choose 7 out of the 13 home games...as a non-member that would cost me £126. As a member it would cost me £134. Bargain!!
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Yes that's true if you buy the membership as a single person then pick and choose your games you will be paying more. However, if I take my wife to some matches as I did last year then the membership means that it costs us £218 instead of £252 (saving £34) with an extra person through the gates cheering us on. Considering my wife is also a Wigan fan and still comes to Salford with me and cheers us on I think this isn't a bad deal even for a pay as you go.
The crux of this matter is a season ticket costs £180 on the early bird deal whether you take out the membeship or not. If you take the membership you get some extra benefits which we didn't get last year which is aimed at getting more families in. If you don't want to pay this price you can go pay as you go either full price or like me work out how it can best benefit you and your family, which also brings in a few more through the gates.
Finally, has it escaped everyone that the reason we have let players go is because we don't have enough money in the club. We have a catch 22 here where we can't get fans because we don't have a good squad and we can't get a good squad without having the fans paying their money. perhaps we should all find our best fit solution and pay our money as always.
I just spoke to someone who is a season ticket holder at Goodison Park and his season ticket went up by £40 this year. When you're already paying over £500 for it and you don't get any shirt offers or cup games i think we're being a bit petty. Just an observation!!!!!
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| Quote ="theredshed"What if you love watching rugby and don't particularly like football? . . . It's reasonable value for those people isn't it?'"
Yes, but you can say that about anything. That isn't a comparison at all.
Quote ="theredshed"The closest example for me was when somebody mentioned in an earlier post about having to pay £28.50 to watch a Sale Sharks match!'"
Club rugby union matches are over-priced in my opinion. I believe Newcastle's prices are even higher. Salford should always compare favourably against local rugby union teams, which is good. Rugby league is more expensive than county cricket, however.
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| What do people see as reasonable competition to compare with? Is it our nearest SL teams, Wigan and Warrington? Is it our nearest summer pro sport, Lancs one day / T20 games? Local PL football teams? Local football league teams? Is it the price of going to the cinema? The Chill Factor? A meal in a restaurant? Spending the night in a pub?
Or is our biggest competition apathy, and the challenge of getting people away from the TV?
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| Quote ="red13pjb"Finally, has it escaped everyone that the reason we have let players go is because we don't have enough money in the club. We have a catch 22 here where we can't get fans because we don't have a good squad and we can't get a good squad without having the fans paying their money.'"
Yes, that's [ithe[/i point. Would you rather the club admitted it and pleaded for help or did what they have done and wrapped it up in a bamboozling membership scheme? What's your call?
Quote ="red13pjb"Perhaps we should all find our best fit solution and pay our money as always.'"
Can't see many doing that to be honest.
Quote ="red13pjb"I just spoke to someone who is a season ticket holder at Goodison Park and his season ticket went up by £40 this year. When you're already paying over £500 for it and you don't get any shirt offers or cup games i think we're being a bit petty. Just an observation!!!!!'"
Liverpool and Everton are in a microcosm in the north. I could be wrong now, but I'm sure last season their cheapest admission prices were the highest in the north. Yes, a fair bit more than Manchester United. Of course, demand is high, supply is limited, therefore the old adage applies.
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| My United ST went up £19, a quid a game, to £513 at £27 a game, in the old days before the ACTS I also got a third off the ticket price. In fact a few years back Salford were in the semi of what ever the Northern Rail cup was called and United were in the Semi of the league cup, after the discounts it worked out £5 cheaper to take me and the two offspring to United than Salford.
But we do live in a dog eat dog world, Salford need to get fans through the door to be able to bring in better players, but also the type of rugby played as well will either bring in the punters or drive them away. Against Leeds we scored what could be said one of the tries of the season, use that as an advertising push on the fical website to show people how we can play. If we play one up rugby, 5 drives and a kick people will not come.
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| Quote ="Chico"Yes, but you can say that about anything. That isn't a comparison at all.'"
The point I was making is some people get as much satisfaction from watching a live rugby league match as some people get from watching United at Old Trafford.
If it's several hundred pounds a season cheaper to get the same/similar level of satisfaction then the rugby fan is bound to think he/she is getting good value for money!
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