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| The good Doctor on twitter:
Marwan Koukash: Following a disciplinary procedure, the club has decided to terminate the contract of Rangi Chase.
All Rangi Chase discussion here please. Lets keep the forum tidy.
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| MK probably thought that Leigh would solve his problem but sensibly makes sure that the exit door only opens outwards
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| I'm sorry, did someone make Mario a forum moderator?
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| Ignore him, obviously at a loose end now.
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| Neil I'm more interested in why you got fired and if M.E.N will still cover RL?
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| Arguments about Mario aside, Marwan's tweet raises a few questions:
A) if he has just been sacked. It means he was still employed by Salford so couldn't have signed for Leigh 8 weeks ago as some on here said was fact!
B) he was released on a free transfer in July, which means NO team signed him else he would be there ( again proving some on here wrong)
C) it seems allowing him to leave for free Salford have had to sack him to get him off the books ( more evidence he hasn't signed for Leigh)
In summary the people on here stating he had signed for Leigh in July are talking rubbish!
To be more specific, JGR it appears you are talking out your derrière on this and other boards!
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| I think you also might need to consider the possibility that he was granted a release on the proviso that he keeps his mouth shut, unlike Puletua, and that this news is just framing. Conjecture, of course. Perhaps he is unwell and deemed unfit to play; perhaps he did break club rules. No one man is bigger than the club and this relays that message to everyone else too. A damn shame because Rangi is among the most talented and exciting players I've seen in a Red jersey. C'est la vie.
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Quote ="Chico"I think you also might need to consider the possibility that he was granted a release on the proviso that he keeps his mouth shut, unlike Puletua, and that this news is just framing. Conjecture, of course. Perhaps he is unwell and deemed unfit to play; perhaps he did break club rules. No one man is bigger than the club and this relays that message to everyone else too. A damn shame because Rangi is among the most talented and exciting players I've seen in a Red jersey. C'est la vie.'"
Not lifting the lid but he's not exactly saying nowt.
www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/could-s ... 7585485817
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Quote ="Chico"I think you also might need to consider the possibility that he was granted a release on the proviso that he keeps his mouth shut, unlike Puletua, and that this news is just framing. Conjecture, of course. Perhaps he is unwell and deemed unfit to play; perhaps he did break club rules. No one man is bigger than the club and this relays that message to everyone else too. A damn shame because Rangi is among the most talented and exciting players I've seen in a Red jersey. C'est la vie.'"
Not lifting the lid but he's not exactly saying nowt.
www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/could-s ... 7585485817
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| As someone who lived through the Best era, the saga reminds me players like Chase are a delight to watch but pains to manage... thanks to him for those moments when the season ticket seemed a bargain.
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red .......thanks to him for those moments when the season ticket seemed a bargain.'"
Unfortunately far too few and overshadowed by the stupid suspension.
Though had he been playing for one of the top 4 would it have been as harsh? I think not
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| Quote ="Kiyan"Arguments about Mario aside, Marwan's tweet raises a few questions:
A) if he has just been sacked. It means he was still employed by Salford so couldn't have signed for Leigh 8 weeks ago as some on here said was fact!
B) he was released on a free transfer in July, which means NO team signed him else he would be there ( again proving some on here wrong)
C) it seems allowing him to leave for free Salford have had to sack him to get him off the books ( more evidence he hasn't signed for Leigh)
In summary the people on here stating he had signed for Leigh in July are talking rubbish!
To be more specific, JGR it appears you are talking out your derrière on this and other boards!'"
Difference between me and you here is, I know and you're just guessing and coming up with b*ll. Rangi has/did sign for Leigh, Beaumont is having a tough time getting his registration through with the RFL as they've categorically said they will not register any player that they suspect will push Leigh over the salary cap. Beaumont is trying to get Championship clubs to agree to raising the cap, if that fails he will take the RFL to court and try to win a legal bid. Until the RFL accept his registration, he cant and wont be officially announced. It will be interesting to see how long Rangi is prepared to wait, as ultimately its his future he is rolling the dice with here. I certainly cant see him going to the NRL if it goes t*ts up at Leigh, as his two kids are based over here as well as his wife (who he is currently separated from).
Rangi's beef on Instagram is primarily about the manner in which his contract has been terminated, for disciplinary reasons. Its been well known since July he would be leaving it was just how he was going to leave that was unclear. Salford could quite easily have released him, shaken hands and both parties gone their separate ways, instead they have chosen to terminate his contract for disciplinary reasons. Unsure on the reasons why, perhaps he was expecting some sort of pay off from the club whereas this way he'll get nowt.
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| As you say,it's been known since July so he's had plenty of time to have done it the informal way.
I think there's a time limit on a disciplinary hearing and the penalty given,so the clock has been ticking.
Let's give the club credit for dealing with it decisively
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| This is probably a legal thing. Sacking him makes it more difficult for him to demand money at a later date.
Best of luck to the team he signs for eventually.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Difference between me and you here is, I know and you're just guessing and coming up with b*ll. Rangi has/did sign for Leigh, Beaumont is having a tough time getting his registration through with the RFL as they've categorically said they will not register any player that they suspect will push Leigh over the salary cap. Beaumont is trying to get Championship clubs to agree to raising the cap, if that fails he will take the RFL to court and try to win a legal bid. Until the RFL accept his registration, he cant and wont be officially announced. It will be interesting to see how long Rangi is prepared to wait, as ultimately its his future he is rolling the dice with here. I certainly cant see him going to the NRL if it goes t*ts up at Leigh, as his two kids are based over here as well as his wife (who he is currently separated from).
Rangi's beef on Instagram is primarily about the manner in which his contract has been terminated, for disciplinary reasons. Its been well known since July he would be leaving it was just how he was going to leave that was unclear. Salford could quite easily have released him, shaken hands and both parties gone their separate ways, instead they have chosen to terminate his contract for disciplinary reasons. Unsure on the reasons why, perhaps he was expecting some sort of pay off from the club whereas this way he'll get nowt.'"
You keep saying you know, but go on to contradict yourself. He cannot have signed for Leigh (salary cap issues aside) while he was still signed to Salford ( which he was, by your own post until this week when he was sacked)
He may have agreed to sign for Leigh, he may have wanted to, but he didn't/couldn't as he was still signed to Salford. You may be "in the know" unlike me but you are simply wrong on employment law ( which I do know about)
Simply put, if he had signed to Leigh in July as you claim on here and the Leigh board, he is no longer an employee of Salford so how can then sack him(which you admit they did)?
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"As you say,it's been known since July so he's had plenty of time to have done it the informal way.
I think there's a time limit on a disciplinary hearing and the penalty given,so the clock has been ticking.
Let's give the club credit for dealing with it decisively'"
RFL rules I do not know, but I have had plenty of experience of representing people and technically discipliary hearings can go on for years, they don't because the person is being paid so the company involved likes to keep it short.
Also it would be illegal to sack someone for being sick, they would have to prove that the person is "not capabable of completing their job description and you had no other rolls they could do within a reasonable time" and that does not apply to Chase. ( if they did he has a cast iron case at an ET)
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| Sorry Kiyan, but I know many persons dismissed for "being sick", both in my current role and in a previous role where I was a Trade Union official.
The term "being sick" is a loose term an one that covers many headings in HR. However, to the person told to go, it feels the same.
Do we know it was that category used to terminate his contract: or was it one (maybe the last) in a series of disciplinary matters, mostly informal in appearance? I've turned up to represent a member to find out that there has been a disparity in how the member and management have classed previous discussions. Usually to a point where I'm left with little to use.
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| Where's nottinghamtiger when you want his legal skills !
This thread is going down a blind alley.
We fired him for disciplinary issues,having given him time to leave without having the stigma of being sacked.
Leigh could probably sign him but not register him with RFL due to salary cap issues.
He's gone,finished,fired .
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"Where's nottinghamtiger when you want his legal skills !
This thread is going down a blind alley.
We fired him for disciplinary issues,having given him time to leave without having the stigma of being sacked.
Leigh could probably sign him but not register him with RFL due to salary cap issues.
He's gone,finished,fired .'"
Nothing to contribute.
Only those involved in the procedures know what actually happened. It could be he has been dismissed for a number of disciplinary issues or for gross misconduct following a serious allegation.
If the club have followed the correct procedures, which they have no reason not to, there is no more to be said.
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"Sorry Kiyan, but I know many persons dismissed for "being sick", both in my current role and in a previous role where I was a Trade Union official.
The term "being sick" is a loose term an one that covers many headings in HR. However, to the person told to go, it feels the same.
Do we know it was that category used to terminate his contract: or was it one (maybe the last) in a series of disciplinary matters, mostly informal in appearance? I've turned up to represent a member to find out that there has been a disparity in how the member and management have classed previous discussions. Usually th
o a point where I'm left with little to use.'"
Very late reply, but you cannot under UK law be sacked for being sick. You can be sacked if you fall undef a sickness policy ( eg 3 times in 6 months), but you cannot be sacked for an illness, the company has to prove you have " no reasonable chance of returning to work in a reasonable time frame" before they dismiss you for sickness reasons.. Many cases may be resolved with a confidential agreement, where the TU, the person and company agrees a pay settlement.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Difference between me and you here is, I know and you're just guessing and coming up with b*ll. Rangi has/did sign for Leigh, Beaumont is having a tough time getting his registration through with the RFL as they've categorically said they will not register any player that they suspect will push Leigh over the salary cap. Beaumont is trying to get Championship clubs to agree to raising the cap, if that fails he will take the RFL to court and try to win a legal bid. Until the RFL accept his registration, he cant and wont be officially announced. It will be interesting to see how long Rangi is prepared to wait, as ultimately its his future he is rolling the dice with here. I certainly cant see him going to the NRL if it goes t*ts up at Leigh, as his two kids are based over here as well as his wife (who he is currently separated from).
Rangi's beef on Instagram is primarily about the manner in which his contract has been terminated, for disciplinary reasons. Its been well known since July he would be leaving it was just how he was going to leave that was unclear. Salford could quite easily have released him, shaken hands and both parties gone their separate ways, instead they have chosen to terminate his contract for disciplinary reasons. Unsure on the reasons why, perhaps he was expecting some sort of pay off from the club whereas this way he'll get nowt.'"
Beaumont announces salary cap increase yesterday, Leigh announce signing of Rangi Chase this morning.
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| Quote Rowley "I will look forward to challenging Rangi in different roles to ensure we bring the best out of him and that the team benefits from his presence."'"
Quote Beaumont "I have spent a lot of time talking to Rangi with Rolls and Jukesy (Head Coach Paul Rowley and Assistant Coach Neil Jukes) and as well as playing what he sees Rangi can run a game plan and a structure..'"
Quote Rangi- "I grew up wanting to play rugby league as a kid, professionally, and the last couple of years I just haven't been enjoying it.
"I've been thinking about quitting."
"the way the club has treated me in the last couple of weeks has made me feel like I want to be here, and made me feel important.
That means a lot."'"
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| When we signed Hock and Chase we were warned,but optimism rules,as it should.
It would be very unusual for players not to return to type.
Good luck to Leigh,I hope it works out but I really would be surprised to see a Leigh side in the Superleague with both Hock and Chase still in their ranks
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"When we signed Hock and Chase we were warned,but optimism rules,as it should.
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Yes we were also warned about Harris as well.
Looking at this photo of Rangi at Leigh's press conference he looks ecstatic to be leyther doesn't he?
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Captions everyone???
Thought bubble - " West Tigers, St George, Castleford, Salford and now f**king Leigh in the championship" - " I need a better agent"
If this isn't extra motivation for Justin Carney I don't know what is?
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| I thought the same myself, neither Rangi, Cory or Hansen looked thrilled to be there. Who can blame them? Whilst I am sure they'll all be picking up good money, I cant imagine the thought of playing at Dewsbury, Swinton, Oldham etc motivates you on a daily basis.
It's a huge risk from Leigh, financially and professionally.
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One more plate of that lobby and I'm off
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