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| the turning point tonight was that sliding tackle from the in goal tap out, at that point Wigan should have been down to 12 men, will the RL do anything or go with the rule it's OK if its with Saford
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| The "turning point" (if you can call it that so early in the game) was Sa'u having a 3 on 1 and choosing to be a greedy *** instead of levelling the scores.
The SOL event was a penalty and not much more (as much as I'd like it to be as a saints fan) - or are we going to cling onto conspiracies instead of facing up to realities?
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| Not saying we'd have avoided a drubbing but that two footed sliding tackle from the short goal line drop out came at a crucial time.
Do the RFL look at that sort of thing ?
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| If Lockers had gone to the bin for 10 mins can anyone say for certain that Salford would actually have completed a set in that time let alone score a try.
Wigan got a decision but Sau blew a try to level up.
Salford were very good v Leeds, tonight they were very poor against a team with a four day turnaround.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"If Lockers had gone to the bin for 10 mins can anyone say for certain that Salford would actually have completed a set in that time let alone score a try.
Wigan got a decision but Sau blew a try to level up.
Salford were very good v Leeds, tonight they were very poor against a team with a four day turnaround.'"
that was a red card
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| as much as i hate o'loughlin(over rated and dirty t**t) it was a 50/50 ball..also if we decided to make that play should'nt we been more alert....back to normal
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| Quote ="bryanthered"that was a red card'"
it was an attempt to kick the ball, he missed and caught Chase instead. It should have been a penalty.
If you want to be pedantic Chase didn't drop the ball for the drop out correctly anyway. I'm not sure of the rules on that, whether it should have been taken again or a penalty to Wigan, either way it renders the SOL incident irrelevant.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"icon_lol.gif it was an attempt to kick the ball, he missed and caught Chase instead. It should have been a penalty.
If you want to be pedantic Chase didn't drop the ball for the drop out correctly anyway. I'm not sure of the rules on that, whether it should have been taken again or a penalty to Wigan, either way it renders the SOL incident irrelevant.'"
So it's ok to go sliding in, feet first, taking a man out who didn't have possession? It was the turning point all right, cos Wigan scored a try on the next set and then again straight after. Game over at that point. Yes, Sau should have passed but he thought he could make the try line. I have no problem with a player who backs himself to score.
Salford were dreadful after that tripping incident. Not saying they would have won, but the straight red which it should have been would have helped a little.
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| god this board is starting to remind of warrington after they started spending big.
Seriously it was a 50-50 ball and o'loughlin didn't take chase out with his feet but he did clatter him, but maybe we should go back to chase not drop kicking the ball but grubbing it anyway as it would have been a wigan penalty under the post.
The damage was done in the 1st half when you tried to out muscle Wigan
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| Yes, that incident was the sole reason you lost the game. You were robbed, i tell you... *roll eyes*.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"icon_lol.gif it was an attempt to kick the ball, he missed and caught Chase instead.'"
That's one way of looking at it...
As it stands, I doubt it would have made much difference, Wigan could easily have beaten us with 12 men last night. But that was an unbelievable challenge.
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| I think we've just got to move on to the next game...
This incident is irrelevant, the outcome would've remained the same - we were pants, made incorrect decisions throughout.
Perhaps the 4 grand finals that we've played recently had finally taken their toll, let's face it, the team left every last ounce of energy on the pitch against Leeds and it's something they need to learn how to mentally adjust to in coming seasons before we can realistically become a force
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| I thought that the point of this FORUM,was to discuss all things Salford Red Devils.
I get really fed up with people who try and dismiss other peoples opinions,by making the above comments.
If the consensus want to discuss their feelings regarding a topic,please allow them to do so,without arbitrarily dismissing them.
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| Regardless of who the opposition was, or what stage the game was at that was a penalty at least and even a sin binning. It’s difficult to call whether it would have changed the game last night, but at the time wasn’t it 6-0 to Wigan with around 10 minutes to go until half time?
That said, we were awful. Probably our worst showing under Harris thus far. I dread to think how many times we knocked on, lost the ball or gave away needless penalties. What was Junior doing when he broke free? A simple inside ball and it’s all square.
Truly awful from the players.
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| Quote ="lou kate"I thought that the point of this FORUM,was to discuss all things Salford Red Devils.
I get really fed up with people who try and dismiss other peoples opinions,by making the above comments.
If the consensus want to discuss their feelings regarding a topic,please allow them to do so,without arbitrarily dismissing them.'"
If that was aimed at me, then you've taken my post out of context, as I never said we shouldn't be discussing it.
My point is that the play in itself was irrelevant to the outcome of the game due to our tired performance - by all means, have the discussion as to whether RFL will do anything.
Personally, although disappointed by the performance, it's not all doom and that's why move onto the next game
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| Yes,it was aimed at your comments.
To discuss one point you made,individual incidents do and have contributed to the outcome of games.That is why people watch and enjoy sport.
Ask Don Fox,about one incident that affected a game he played in
There is no way of knowing what may have happened last night,ifa decision to shift O' Loughlin had been made.
As it stands now,I don't care if The RFL do anything against the player,because that could not have any bearing on the result.
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| Sorry but Salford bombed 3 tries in the 1st half that could have been the turning point, poor handling let you down,
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| Quote ="lou kate"There is no way of knowing what may have happened last night,ifa decision to shift O' Loughlin had been made.
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Or if the preceding drop out had been penalised. You can't look at one incident in isolation and not the other if you're discussing 'what might have been' were it not for incorrect decisions. If the rules had been correctly adhered to the O'Loughlin incident would have been irrelevant as the play would have had to come back to the original infringement and would have been a penalty to Wigan. As it goes, neither incident turned out to have any bearing on the game.
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| Would it matter is O'Loughlin has committed the offence from an illegal drop out? I think it would as it surely must be considered as a trip which is if I'm right is not a sin binning but a sending off offence.
Just watching the NRL on Premier and the video ref calls the on field officials attention to anything they have missed, why we don't do this more over here is beyond me.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Regardless of who the opposition was, or what stage the game was at that was a penalty at least and even a sin binning. It’s difficult to call whether it would have changed the game last night, but at the time wasn’t it 6-0 to Wigan with around 10 minutes to go until half time?
That said, we were awful. Probably our worst showing under Harris thus far. I dread to think how many times we knocked on, lost the ball or gave away needless penalties. What was Junior doing when he broke free? A simple inside ball and it’s all square.
Truly awful from the players.'"
You were as good as Wigan allowed you to be. I'm sorry but you will never be a force whilst you have Rangi Chase in the team just look at Cas as proof! controversial comment I know because he is a great player, however if you want to play a structured game plan as is obvious what Iestyn Harris wants, then you can't do that with an "off the cuff" half back. I do think you will have a little more stability with Dobson but Dobson would need to control the play and leave Rangi to his last tackle plays.
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| Makes me laugh with all the 'illegal drop-out' nonsense, and he tried to kick the ball. I understand one group of fans will see the incident differently as by nature you want to defend the actions of your team. What SOL did was a reckless challenge regardless of his intent. The fact that nearly every RL fan calls it that way except Wigan fans tells you a lot. Wigan fans are being intellectually dishonest if they can't see a blatant incident like that one should have been penalised.
It may or may not have changed anything in the game, I just find it amazing that everyone watching the game can see it, but the ref does nothing and gets no calls from his helpers. Shocking really.
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| We'll said Butcher.
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| Quote ="TheButcher" It may or may not have changed anything in the game, I just find it amazing that everyone watching the game can see it, but the ref does nothing and gets no calls from his helpers. Shocking really.'"
Did the referee hesitate because he knew that by the laws of the game tripping in an automatic red card? I just find it laughable that the referees assistant wanted his twopenath over a very dubious offload call but fails miserably to notice something much more obvious like the two footed horizontal jump by O'Loughlin.
It isn't sour grapes because Wigan were far superior on the night and I just don't think they needed the extra help they got from the match officials.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Makes me laugh with all the 'illegal drop-out' nonsense, and he tried to kick the ball. I understand one group of fans will see the incident differently as by nature you want to defend the actions of your team. What SOL did was a reckless challenge regardless of his intent. The fact that nearly every RL fan calls it that way except Wigan fans tells you a lot. Wigan fans are being intellectually dishonest if they can't see a blatant incident like that one should have been penalised.
It may or may not have changed anything in the game, I just find it amazing that everyone watching the game can see it, but the ref does nothing and gets no calls from his helpers. Shocking really.'"
Why is the illegal drop out 'nonsense'. There are rules which state the ball should be drop kicked not grubbered which is what he did. I'm not sure whether that should have resulted in a penalty to Wigan or Chase told to re-take the drop out, maybe that's one to ask the refs on twitter.
As the drop out was incorrectly allowed it then results in the SOL incident. There are very few Wigan fans who have said it shouldn't have been a penalty as it should have. That decision was incorrect too. What we are saying (and it's not just Wigan fans as you suggest) and correctly IMO is the suggestions it was a deliberate trip etc are wrong. He was trying to kick the ball, didn't get there in time and ended up taking Chase out instead. A penalty, yes. Anything more, no.
As we are on the subject of bad ref calls you weren't the only team on the receiving end. There is a very strong case for a penalty try when Smith was taken out. Griffin also stamped on Flower's chest. Just two examples without really thinking about it.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Makes me laugh with all the 'illegal drop-out' nonsense, and he tried to kick the ball. I understand one group of fans will see the incident differently as by nature you want to defend the actions of your team. What SOL did was a reckless challenge regardless of his intent. The fact that nearly every RL fan calls it that way except Wigan fans tells you a lot. Wigan fans are being intellectually dishonest if they can't see a blatant incident like that one should have been penalised.
It may or may not have changed anything in the game, I just find it amazing that everyone watching the game can see it, but the ref does nothing and gets no calls from his helpers. Shocking really.'"
He went to kick the ball, Chase caught Wigan off guard and he went to kick the ball back to his team mate, it wasn't a trip it was an attempt to get the ball and mis timed it that's about it, does it warrant a penalty? maybe, did it change the outcome of the game? no. We could argue that Hansen took out Smith behind the sticks when he was going for the loose ball to score a try but we didn't get the call from the ref, swings and roundabouts really.
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