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| and the next coach from the lucky bag is??????
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| Neil Kelly will 'stop the rot' unlike Iestyn, he's an experienced coach.
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| And there lies Salfords problem, knee jerk reactions. Player comes on the market ... Buy him, coach loses a few games..... Sack him.
Surely the answer is build the club from the kids up, worry about winning things in time.
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| Aye Marshy, surely the Dr. has got to stick with Harris for this season ?
But......you never know.
If you're gonna sack Brian Noble, at least bring someone in with a 'proven track record'.
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| Quote ="Marshy1"And there lies Salfords problem, knee jerk reactions. Player comes on the market ... Buy him, coach loses a few games..... Sack him.
Surely the answer is build the club from the kids up, worry about winning things in time.'"
Thats not your owners way though is it? Actually I would have thought the best way would be to get the right coach but that is not always as easy as it seems either but at some stage you have to be patient.
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| What an absolute shower you lot are.
A total joke club from top to bottom.
An embarrassment to Rugby League.
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| It's actually embarrassing seeing the going on at Salford with the Doc. He seems to be very badly advised.
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| Thats the whole problem he doesn't take advice or he wouldn't do the things he does.
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| Quote ="Marshy1"And there lies Salfords problem, knee jerk reactions. Player comes on the market ... Buy him, coach loses a few games..... Sack him.
Surely the answer is build the club from the kids up, worry about winning things in time.'"
That's just not true though. Last season's team was made up of players close to retirement and players who were little more than Championship standard. There had to be a major clearout. How was that a knee jerk reaction?
Now, you could argue that some of the players recruited in their place are little better than the ones who were released, and the responsibility for that lies with the coach who signed them. How was removing that coach a knee jerk reaction?
As is typical with RL fans (or at least the ones who inhabit the sand pit this forum is becoming) if something happens once, they see it as a pattern and something to be derided. As you can see from this thread, there are Widnes fans pulling the meat right off the bone in their excitement over what's happening.
As for building the club 'from the kids up', I think that's just fantasy stuff. Without a successful first team, how are the club going to attract any of these kids of which you speak?
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| All this and at the start of the season you had the hapless Phil Clarke tipping Salford to finish top of SL and win the Grand Final.
How silly that man must feel right now.
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| Quote ="amberman"Thats not your owners way though is it? Actually I would have thought the best way would be to get the right coach but that is not always as easy as it seems either but at some stage you have to be patient.'"
You've quoted a Swinton fan. Just for reference.
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| Quote ="Red John"That's just not true though. Last season's team was made up of players close to retirement and players who were little more than Championship standard. There had to be a major clearout. How was that a knee jerk reaction?
Now, you could argue that some of the players recruited in their place are little better than the ones who were released, and the responsibility for that lies with the coach who signed them. How was removing that coach a knee jerk reaction?
As is typical with RL fans (or at least the ones who inhabit the sand pit this forum is becoming) if something happens once, they see it as a pattern and something to be derided. As you can see from this thread, there are Widnes fans pulling the meat right off the bone in their excitement over what's happening.
As for building the club 'from the kids up', I think that's just fantasy stuff. Without a successful first team, how are the club going to attract any of these kids of which you speak?'"
With respect look at the two signings for next season, do you consider either to be Salford standard players? Then we turn to the kids I know for a fact that the policy is to look all over the place bar Salford for young players .... What message does that send to local kids who would possibly excel representing their club.
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| Quote ="Bruce_Forsyth"All this and at the start of the season you had the hapless Phil Clarke tipping Salford to finish top of SL and win the Grand Final.
How silly that man must feel right now.'" To be fair he probably didn't expect Noble to be sacked after a handful of matches and replaced by one of the worst coaches available.
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| Quote ="Marshy1"With respect look at the two signings for next season, do you consider either to be Salford standard players? Then we turn to the kids I know for a fact that the policy is to look all over the place bar Salford for young players .... What message does that send to local kids who would possibly excel representing their club.'"
Incidentally, whilst I accept that the season before last you had an ageing team, you can hardly say that the likes of Puletua and Morely etc were youth signings.
You have just been turned over by a very very young Wigan team, a good number of which are coming from their youth system, so I disagree that the build up has to come from a successful first team.
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| I'll give it a shot
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| Quote ="headhunter"To be fair he probably didn't expect Noble to be sacked after a handful of matches and replaced by one of the worst coaches available.'"
Radford is still FC coach...isn't he
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| If history in sport has taught us one think it is that chopping and changing coaches regularly never works. Every coach has their own ideas and needs time to implement them. He will also need the opportunity to recruit and train players in the style he wants them to play.
It was said on sky that during Marwan's short reign at Salford you have already had 4 head coaches. That is a big part of your short comings so far this season. A strong club needs to be built on stability and strong foundations. The excitement creating by MK's bold statements so far has only created expectations that won't be fulfilled.
Salford need to be realistic, all the clubs challenging for silverware have been built up over time, concentrating on youth development and have had a relatively stable coaching staff.
I honestly hope that MK has the patience to understand this and is looking to build the club from the bottom up.
I did think Harris got his tactics very wrong last night though. I believe he thought a back to basics approach was enough which proved wrong. There was a total lack of adventure from Salford.
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| Quote ="headhunter"To be fair he probably didn't expect Noble to be sacked after a handful of matches and replaced by one of the worst coaches available.'"
Its noticeable that Wigan did not make much of an effort to keep him, you would have thought that if they rated him at all they would have extended his contract before coolcash promised him the moon on a stick.
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| Quote ="WidnesJohn"What an absolute shower you lot are.
A total joke club from top to bottom.
An embarrassment to Rugby League.'"
Not as embarrassing as Widnes who spent years in oblivion after being the dominant team of the 70s and 80s!
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| Quote ="chissitt"coolcash'"
3/10. Must try harder.
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| Quote ="headhunter"To be fair he probably didn't expect Noble to be sacked after a handful of matches and replaced by one of the worst coaches available.'"
Try and be factual.Noble was in charge for 12 months - his replacement for 2 months.
His replacement hasn't had the opportunity to succeed like Noble - [url=http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/gleeson-salford-red-devils-primed-6374190New Facilities and confident players[/url
Pre-season meetings with suppporters who were told that if they were not successful it would be down to the players.
[url=http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/brian-noble-discusses-salford-red-6470823Team spirit - physical preparation-mental toughness - team cohesion[/url
Then I see the Wigan signings - Jordan James - from the wooden spoonists.Sarginson from London and Bateman from Bradford all with new body shapes suggesting Mark Bitcon didn't just work his magic on Piggy Riddell and Feka but those named,and the Academy players,suggest Salford are light years behind in matters not within the skill-set of a head coach.
Hardly the fault of Iestyn Harris.Nor the fact that the squad available to him was injury-depleted and appeared so languid.
If Harris can work with Moss,Roberts and Rod Findlay he can work with anyone.His apprenticeship is complete.
He just need a little more time at the biggest most challenging job in his career.
Go talk to Youngquest and Bryant.Were they ever on a winning side against Wigan?
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| Quote ="chissitt"Its noticeable that Wigan did not make much of an effort to keep him, you would have thought that if they rated him at all they would have extended his contract before coolcash promised him the moon on a stick.'"
Fair comment. I did notice when Harris was at Wigan, in the televised games when the camera panned to the coaches Harris was always well apart from Wane and they didn't appear to talk much.
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| Quote ="Marshy1"With respect look at the two signings for next season, do you consider either to be Salford standard players? Then we turn to the kids I know for a fact that the policy is to look all over the place bar Salford for young players .... What message does that send to local kids who would possibly excel representing their club.
Incidentally, whilst I accept that the season before last you had an ageing team, you can hardly say that the likes of Puletua and Morely etc were youth signings.
You have just been turned over by a very very young Wigan team, a good number of which are coming from their youth system, so I disagree that the build up has to come from a successful first team.'"
I consider the two signings for next season to be absolutely the quality of signing the club needs. They each address the very specific problem of our devastating lack of pace. However, their signings have no bearing on the policy of looking anywhere bar Salford, because, frankly, there aren't too many young players out there, not compared to Wigan, Leeds and Hull anyway. And the reason for that is surely that neither of the city's two professional rugby teams have been attractive propositions in the past 30+ years. To get kids interested in the sport, you need to give them an attractive, successful team to support. Both Salford and Swinton have manifestly failed to do that. The only way to get us out of this situation is to buy a successful team and, hopefully, in years to come we'll be able to have a team full of Salfordians playing at the highest level.
As for the signing of old players, this, again, is manifestly untrue. Some weeks ago, I put a list up on the VT of all Brian Noble's signings together with their ages (I'll leave you to search for it). It was in response to someone who, like you, thought he'd signed a load of pensioners. The person in question didn't get back to me on that one, because, in truth, most of his signings were young. The problem is that too many of them - regardless of age - were no better than the players they were replacing. Elsewhere on this forum, someone posted a list of some of the players he released: Broughton, Godwin, Jewitt, Sneyd, Owen (albeit the last two on loan)... are the players we replaced them with better than these? I'd argue not. (By the way, I think Tony Puletua has been one of the more successful signings.) I think that's where the problem lies. With the signings made for 2015, I'm now more hopeful that we're heading in the right direction.
Changing coach mid season was not ideal, and was handled badly, but I'm not convinced Nobby was the right man for the job in the first place. Maybe the choice of replacement was knee-jerk, but the releasing of Nobby was, I fear, the right thing to do, Just at the wrong time.
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| Quote ="Red John"
(By the way, I think Tony Puletua has been one of the more successful signings.) '"
I would agree there RJ - his future has to be where Harris put him last night as well - at Prop. Blimey dare I mention `improvement`? Cue the new #1 Noblephile Mr Talent Spotter - drum roll - entrance stage left -
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