...ed with all the bickering and name calling on here anymore. It's like a primary school playground thanks to some. There's hardly a topic which isn't marred by one or another, so I'll thank the decent majority for all the reasoned and enjoyable debate for the last 5 or so years and take my leave, wishing you well.

(I'll still participate in the ES Prediction League, as that's about the only thing left on here that is worth bothering with

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I've been contemplating it myself.

I didn't post on here for a while and have only recently started again. Think I'll reserve it to the ESPL too.

A Forum is designed for debate and that just does not happen on here anymore. It used to be that people would always be reasoned and balanced in their opinions, rallying together under the shared belief in their supported and beloved Salford regardless of how disagreeable, negative, and disheartened they got. I've often risen to the bait on here but I just can't be bothered anymore. It's not fun, it's irritating, and it's also a shame. There's loads of great people on here but find that the Lunatics are taking over the asylum.

I can still have reasoned debate with Salford fans I just wont do it on here for the foreseeable future...

keep the faith ... sorry for the constantly input cliche.

sadly I need to keep an eye on the forum as, living in the shade of the darkside, Salford news only arrives in stutters.

However, I know that both of you have the club at heart so thanks for the debates.

yeah sad JJ and the Butcher have decided to take time away from here always been good reading to your views on salford over the years and never actually meeting you face to face.

Hopefully you 2 will return soon

Does that belong to Tom Kitching ?
I didn't know he was a Salford fan until I read the Dave Hadfield piece in RLW.

Ha Ha Great post PT

Well Butcher and Dad It's been emotional



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Can't belive that none of the worthless bell ends havn't posted anything taunting you for waving the white flag.
Can't belive that decent posters of the qaulity of TB and JJ are giving up because ill informed idiots have hidden agendas and are to cowardly to own up and admit who the are or why they have these agenas.

you have just hit the nail on the head its because they can hide behind these silly nicknames and that means they can abuse who they like and nobody knows them. I stopped posting on here a while ago and have only just started taking a look again recently and then i know which posts not to look at.I gave up trying to reason with them because they are mindless and simply have no idea how the club operates.I even got into a row with a prat at the castleford game he was abusing all on sundry simms vievers the players and the chairman i just asked him if he thinks shouting abuse at players really helps and he got all aggresive fueled on lager! I tried to simplify why we have the players we have and wigan have the players they have and he just didnt get it! so yes thats me done on here cheers for now

You're not coming on here no more because so called negative (left wing not negative) views aren't allowed in your world. Another one bites the dust.....

you can't control the perceptions of the clinically insane

Should have reported him to the stewards at the time, the sooner idiots like that are kicked out (and hopefully banned for life) the better it will be for us all. I could probably point the people out to you as I'm affraid it's the same old morons week in week out (though one does post on here and comes across as being more intelligent than that but is a known trouble maker at football too). What gets me if I was that dissatisfied with watching Salford I wouldn't spend my hard earned.

No Dantes i got no problem with people putting there views on here even if i dont agree with them the only thing i would ask is to think first some of the stuff i have read is just total and utter nonsense. I am in a position that i do know how the club works and what sort of budgets we are working with and so it makes it even more frustrating that people with no insight post stuff on here that they know nothing about. One last thing i would say to anyone demanding JW should go is be very careful what you wish for! Also if you show me the queue of investors wanting to get involved in the club that may be a different story. In the meantime why cant people enjoy the fact we got a new stadium and a 3 year licence.

It's because in general us salford fans are the ultimate pessamists sad but true

And why is that I wonder? Is it anything to do with the 30 years of crap we've had to put up with?

Just a thought.

We don't have to put up with anything. We choose to.
If I had the time and could be ar$ed (on topic!) I'd quite like to see how many clubs have outperformed us in the last 30 years (on field success and solvency) and how many have either vanished or sit in a far worse position than we do. I've often thought we were over-achieving by existing in the top flight. It's all relative I suppose.

How on Earth do you equate your posts with being "left-wing"?

Understand what your saying, but we've had so many false promises throughout the years. Yes we've survived mostly in rugby leagues top flight and like you say that is an achievement, but we've rarely been competitive in the top flight (well since I've been alive anyway) and I'm bored of being the laughing stock of Super League. Its frustrating and bloody annoying going to a game knowing your going to get beat or turning up at a game knowing that there will only be a crowd of 3,000 there. All I ask is to be a competitive team in the top flight, look at Castleford and Wakefield for example, ok they've had a couple of seasons in the the lower leagues like us and have struggled in Super League in some cases, but both of them teams have also been competitive more times than we ever have, both have finished in the play offs more than us, both have had better runs in the cup than us. The point I'm trying to make is why can't we? All I hear is we don't have the money, resources blah blah to compete with the top teams and I agree, there's no disputing that what so ever. But do Castleford, Wakefield (Well maybe more so now) etc have the finances to do that? No, but yet they always seem to be more completive than us.

As for having a choice whether I go or not, well maybe I do. But just because I'm fed up like many others it isn't going to alter my choice. I'll be there this week against Widnes and I'll be there in 4 years time when we're not in Super League playing Gateshead away

I meant it tongue in cheek. I take it you have a sense of humour bypass

No, it just wasn't funny.

i totally agree with you. Castleford, wakefield, huddersfield, warrington, hull KR, have all had around the same finanaces we have been working with at some stage and their no laughing stock. They've risen above us vastly especially warrington huddersfield and hull kr. Wakey did go to the wall at some stage but they seem to have come through it and have a decent team folding havind seen them against widnes.

Sheffield
Gateshead
Leigh
Widnes
Halifax
Paris
Workington
Crusaders
Swinton
Oldham
Featherstone

...the list goes on of clubs who have had around the same finances (or greater) than us who can't currently claim to have risen above us.

Suggest we stop this argument now: we seem to have it on every topic no matter what it is. The fact is that two GOOD posters are leaving.

They'll be back methinks!

Good riddance.