Who do you think PV will pick for our 1st game



1) Luke Patten
2) Broughton
3) Gleeson
4) Moon


5) Williams
6) Smith
7) Holdsworth


James
9) Godwin
10) Boyle
11) Adamson
12) Anderson
13) Wild
14) The all new Feka


15) Nero
16) Gledhill
17) Howarth

Roll on next Saturday i say.

Can't figure out why Broughton has got the number 2 jersey when he plays on the left (number 5 ) wing. Same for Williams

I'd say applehead is very close to what it'll be, only difference I think will be in the 2nd rows. I'd go with

1 - Patten
2 - Broughton
3 - Gleeson
4 - Moon
5 - Williams
6 - Holdsworth
7 - Smith
21 - James
9 - Godwin
10 - Boyle
11 - Ashurst
12 - McPherson
13 - Wild

17 - Feka
20 - Gledhill
24 - Howarth
27 - Anderson

Has Boyle done anything in pre-season to deserve a place in the first team?

He always looks like our slowest, least athletic and least explosive prop. Not a bad player, dependable and fairly reliable, just not quite good enough to be worthy a SL starting spot. Good back up player though.

Jewitt, Neal and Sidlow really need to pull their socks up, if we're ever going to be a force is SL.

Boyle has always been better playing from the bench, but doesn't like to, the reason he left cas is because he wanted to be a starting prop.

5 ex cas players in your team, be good to see williams again, did a good job for us in 2007.

There will be a few late calls with the cas team as jackson, snitch and walker are all coming back from injury and are in a race against time to be fit. Assuming they are fit we will look something like this

owen
dixon
arundel
griffen/thompson
clare
chase
orr
jackson
milner
emmitt
ferres
holmes
mcgoldrick

jones/snitch/davies
clark
massey
walker

Is howarth officialy a salford player now?

Patten
Broughton
Moon
Gleeson
Williams
Holdsworth
Smith
James
Godwin
Boyle
Mcpherson
Anderson
Wild

Feka
Ashurst
Neal (This Spot for me could be any of Sidlow , Gledhill , Jewitt or Neal , but he gets the nod )
Howarth (Impressed)

Boyle look's unfit and overweight in my eyes. He's very vulnerable in defence any clever halfback, winger or fullback who takes him on will beat him every time he looks very sluggish in the defensive line.

so which starting props & which two interchange props would you use given this analysis?

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Well having seen Boyle play twice this pre-season i think he's gone backwards, but to be honest i've never rated him at SL level anyway, he looks vulnerable, i watched his game closely in the Halifax game to which he was struggling keeping up with the pace of the defensive line leaving holes, a decent back would notice this and attack him, he offers nothing when hitting the ball up in attack and i've never seen any venom or controlled aggression in his game where he wins collision or flattens the opposition player when defending.

To answer your question, i think Feka and James are our 2 best props, the other 2 props i'd use is probably Sidlow the size of him he should be breaking players in half. The other available prop addition is questionable jewitt, boyle, are simply not good enough. It might be worth giving Ben Gledhill a few games he's a signing i haven't seen much of surely he can't be worse than Jewitt and Boyle.

Therefore i'd use Feka and James as much as i could, i'd definately start and finish with the pair of them within reason.

Why should you care as you wont be going to the game anyway.

1) Patten
2) Broughton
3) Moon
4) Gleeson
5) Williams
6) Holdsworth
7) Smith


James
9) Godwin
10)Jewitt
11) Mcpherson
12) Nero
13) Wild

14) Feka
15) Sidlow
16) Howarth
17)Anderson


Providing everyone is fit..

If he's fit you'd need Ashurst in there, shows we have a decent second row when have Anderson, Neal, McPherson, Ashurst, Nero, Adamson to chose from.

For me there are 3 Cas players to close down - 6.7 and 13 - likely Chase, Orr & Hudson - if we do that job I think we will win.

I'm past caring, I was giving my observations to middleman do you not read.......

Also

I'll be watching the Cas game on the box, and i'll probably go to the saint's game at Langtree Park. I've past caring with
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I'm surprised Dantes Infernal hasn't responded to Prestwhich Red about not going any longer, maybe he's gone for good.

i have to disagree with you there MR, our 2nd Row is full of hard work but who from your list is a line breaker, somebody who is going to punch holes in the castleford defence? or even make a good 10 yards clearing the lines

Im no stato but it would be interesting to see what the average yards made per carry in our 2nd row / looseforwards last season, true we have Mcpherson and Ashurst who have come in but from what we have seen (admitteldy its only pre season) both are work horses not line breakers imo

It baffles me how very few of these line ups contain Adamson. As mentioned by Matty Smith in the Video ( here www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/video- ... -interview )the lad worked tirelessly in both defense and attack. And was one of 2 stand out players. Many may not see it but he is an experienced lad now who will always cover anyone who shoots out the line or misses a tackle. Usually covering a wrong decision. Against Wigan he run over more players than I can remember and bar him we lack very few who will encourage or lift the rest of the team when defending. The big smack down on Mossop strikes me most. As per matty smith his talk is awsome. Combined with his quick turn of pace and new found attack how anyone can consider Vinnie or Neal in the second row over this bloke is beyond me. I think you need to watch the game a little closer if you think they deserve a place before Adamson.

It baffles me how very few of these line ups contain Adamson. As mentioned by Matty Smith in the Video ( here www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/video- ... -interview )the lad worked tirelessly in both defense and attack. And was one of 2 stand out players. Many may not see it but he is an experienced lad now who will always cover anyone who shoots out the line or misses a tackle. Usually covering a wrong decision. Against Wigan he run over more players than I can remember and bar him we lack very few who will encourage or lift the rest of the team when defending. The big smack down on Mossop strikes me most. As per matty smith his talk is awsome. Combined with his quick turn of pace and new found attack how anyone can consider Vinnie or Neal in the second row over this bloke is beyond me. I think you need to watch the game a little closer if you think they deserve a place before Adamson.

Succesfully do that to any team and you will probably win, doing it is the tricky part.

hudson probably wont be 13, mcgoldrick will, clark, one of ours hookers, is our main danger man after chase.

.....mindful of how the chairman of Salford has avoided the controversy of the Castleford chairman by delivering a new stadium which fulfils the Super League criteria and has not [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/dec/06/wakefield-castleford-stadiumcompiled a letter to support objectors to a new stadium for another club[/url or appointed a new coach who has been sacked by 2 other Super League clubs.

Agreed Lyrad Red - Adamson did play well against Wigan.

Agreed pyeman - Young Clark is a very dangerous,hard working hooker.I am hoping Chase is still suffering from the psychological pressure from the back end of the last campaign - Late Challenge Cup loss to Leeds,back to Australia where his childhood is put into the public domain - back to England to represent the country and all the public opinion:Just as well he didn't hear the comments from Millward at half time.

Looking forward to this game immensely.

If cas had the same level of support from the local council that salford have had we would also be sitting in a shiny new stadium unfortunately we don't.

Our chairman has not supported the objectors to newmarket he was sent a letter asking questions and answered them with information that was already in the public domain (whether he was right to or not is another matter, and one best left, so you don't have wakey and cas fans arguing on here).

Whilst milward wasn't my first choice it is a bit unfair to compare him to vieviers when talking about being sacked from a head coaches job as vievers hasn't been a head coach in sl, apart from on a temporary basis, before being replaced.

Looking forward to watching the game on the telly, gutted i cant be there, good luck for the season.

Quote ="Lyrad Red"It baffles me how very few of these line ups contain Adamson. As mentioned by Matty Smith in the Video ( here www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/video- ... -interview )the lad worked tirelessly in both defense and attack. And was one of 2 stand out players. Many may not see it but he is an experienced lad now who will always cover anyone who shoots out the line or misses a tackle. Usually covering a wrong decision. Against Wigan he run over more players than I can remember and bar him we lack very few who will encourage or lift the rest of the team when defending. The big smack down on Mossop strikes me most. As per matty smith his talk is awsome. Combined with his quick turn of pace and new found attack how anyone can consider Vinnie or Neal in the second row over this bloke is beyond me. I think you need to watch the game a little closer if you think they deserve a place before Adamson.'" I think you need to watch the game a lot closer to have Adamson in the squad. "He works tirelessly" so what, that's what a 2nd row forward should be doing. In the 2 friendlies i witnessed this pre-season Anderson was the stand out 2nd rower did Adamson play against Leigh and Halifax i can't remember if he played he was that noticeable. Adamson is predictable, hardly seen him look to offload, hardly seen him bust tackles, hardly seen any evasive footwork skills, never seen him spin out of the tackle trying to evade being tackled, I'm afraid a top club would of snapped him up by now if he was Great as you're making him out to be just like O'connor, Myler, Turner and Ratchford. Again you talk utter bollox........

Quote ="Lyrad Red"It baffles me how very few of these line ups contain Adamson. As mentioned by Matty Smith in the Video ( here www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/video- ... -interview )the lad worked tirelessly in both defense and attack. And was one of 2 stand out players. Many may not see it but he is an experienced lad now who will always cover anyone who shoots out the line or misses a tackle. Usually covering a wrong decision. Against Wigan he run over more players than I can remember and bar him we lack very few who will encourage or lift the rest of the team when defending. The big smack down on Mossop strikes me most. As per matty smith his talk is awsome. Combined with his quick turn of pace and new found attack how anyone can consider Vinnie or Neal in the second row over this bloke is beyond me. I think you need to watch the game a little closer if you think they deserve a place before Adamson.'" I think you need to watch the game a lot closer to have Adamson in the squad. "He works tirelessly" so what, that's what a 2nd row forward should be doing. In the 2 friendlies i witnessed this pre-season Anderson was the stand out 2nd rower did Adamson play against Leigh and Halifax i can't remember if he played he was that noticeable. Adamson is predictable, hardly seen him look to offload, hardly seen him bust tackles, hardly seen any evasive footwork skills, never seen him spin out of the tackle trying to evade being tackled, I'm afraid a top club would of snapped him up by now if he was Great as you're making him out to be just like O'connor, Myler, Turner and Ratchford. Again you talk utter bollox........

Adamson is a must start, best sedond rower we have, certainly the most skilfull with the ball in hand, killer off load and brilliant footwork.

Just glad that there's know one daft enough to suggest that Anderson should get a starting berth ahead of him.

Adamson best second row we have? your joking right? he is a good solid defender yes he ran over a few wigan forwards last tuesday but thats the 1st time in about 3 years he has done anything in attack, he usually takes the 1st ball in a set of six laying a platform and for me he is a "ball killer" (ie when he gets the ball in his hands he just takes a tackle

as for having a killer offload last seasons offloads

Adamson 6
Sidlow 33
Neal 19
Anderson 38
Nero 16

Im hoping with PV and SL incharge he will find some form when he 1st started at salford

I would prefer if he came on as sub with Feka so he could do feka's defending and Feka could do his attacking if you know what i mean