Hard to swallow but that's what I feel we're getting. How well the 'new' Salford RLFC go forward is anyone's guess? I already feel disassociated. I also feel as though it will be like supporting a new entity created from an existing DNA wherby I've been robbed and it's not what I asked for or was promised, or putting it another way it's not what I want?

I owe my support to the club through the veins running through me, given from generations beyond, but I find it so difficult to find a solution to carry on?

I'm on the verge of - Salford R.I.P.

Can anyone convince me otherwise because I feel slightly shamefull? However another side of me say's am I really bothered? Wonder what Wilko thinks? - Anyone else?

Obviously the blue seats haven't helped but I feel its a time of uncertainty for us all this is water Salford haven't treaded before so we're out of our comfort zone. I still feel excited by the move to Barton chance of a new era and I think we're going there with the right man for the job however its on the pitch where the worries still are hopefully that'll change under Parish just got to sit back and watch it unfold being a pessimist though I reckon it'll be same old Salford...I really hope not because this is our big chance.

Having the same people behind the scenes though is holding us back IMO If Wilky can find the right buyer for the club which obviously will be hard and they bring in there own people shake things up that could do wonders for us, I'm not naming names cause I'll get shot down but I think we all know which roles at the club get questioned the most.

SICKENING.

Basically who's going to be the first to openly admit that they are upset by the blue seats because it is a rugby union club? or maybe in some cases I get the impression it's because of the colour blue being associated with Manchester City. Salford as an entity was never going to be able to fully fund a stadium so getting co tennants is the perfect (and from a business snse the only one)solution to making it self sufficient. I personally don't care who the other tennants are as long as Salford get a 50/50 at use of the facilities, there will have to be some give and take (still I've not seen anyone sayd that if Sale want a Friday for a game and we play on a Sunday that it would be a good thing for the fans despite the bitching about Fridays being no good - it would just be the queue for another doommongers session).

We have a state of the art new ground, from what I hear a bloody good young coach and the nucleous a decent young team so why is knowone looking at the positivies rather than doing all they can to bring everyone down with thier downbeat attitude.

Why not just simply not bother as the collective negativity is draining, go find something else to whine endlessly about, find Jesus, hug a tree or develop a drug habit just sod off and stop trying to drag everyone else down.

Imo you have to embrace change, the club is struggling at the bottom of the super league right now and I am hoping that a change of scenery will create a change in attitude both on and off the field by the club and us the fans.

The experience will be what you make it, it will be a negative one if you bitch all the way through the transformation the club is learning from this experience too I too hope there are changes behind the scenes but to do it right now would threaten a real tail spin if we got it wrong.

The new stadium will mean a new and exciting chapter for salford and us the fans, a new Outlook a new way I'd go away watching salford and visit these new stadiums and think I wish salford was like this, new fans will love it I'm sure the people who need convincing are us the people who have followed this team to the end of the world and back.

People get upset that the original design but do you honestly believe we would be in this situation without peel / salford council help? Short answer no we can't even get a shirt in a shop in time never mind build and fund a stadium if the stadium wasn't built when it was the end for us RIP SALFORD RUGBY be that quick or 20 years in the 2nd division

It gives us an opportunity to make somthing here, history is being made and we are in the driving seat its in our hands if this is a success not the club or not the stadium management team

Black Cat, Fans are the glue which binds the club and gives it a soul, a stadium is just steel & concrete and this is the fourth place the club has played at least , but still less important than it's fans , we're all wondering. so hang on in there ..

Black Cat
After reading that over analytical, melodramatic slop, I can’t help but think that:

1. You’re watching too many American teenage programs (OC, Dawson’s Creek, etc).
2. You need to get a grip!

I can’t work out if this is the main crux of your problem, but as people keep posting about it.
If you don’t want to sit on a blue seat…… don’t sit on one!

Now that I’ve solved the important issues that face mankind, excuse me while I make a phone call to Merkel and Sarkozy.

Let the abuse roll!

FFS.
The world economy is collapsing, people being made redundant left right and centre the UK going down the pan and people complain about sitting on a blue seat.
I will sit on a bed of nails if Salford start winning and get consistently in the play offs.
It is a new start embrace it or go and stare at photos of the Willows.

HEAR HEAR

Completely the wrong shade of blue for that.

Michigan red""from what I hear a bloody good young coach" '"

Knew MR would come out with summat like hat, maybe its because OUR rivals play in that shade of blue and that our team is called Salford City REDS....stop trying the old football thing

Bloody hell shall we not bother having a head coach again?! the players always have summat to f'ing whinge about I'm sick of hearing oh this is happening behind close doors thats happening etc its depressing.

Probably the reason I started the thread mate and things I get to know aren't just hearsay!

However - I don't recall anywhere it was stated I didn't like blue seats? It's like Chinese whispers on here at times

I couldn't give a toss what colour they are!

Same name, new stadium, different club?

are these the same lazy players that have let us down on many occasions, at least he went to the gym.
perhaps he will change things, because if he doesn't then Salford will be finished after 3 years.

Rob,

Most fans will embrace the new stadium, the problem for most of us is the stadium is the only new thing.

I ahve never felt so disillusioned about the club or sport as I do now.

We have rumours of disharmony yet again and players bitching about a coach. Maybe it is time for these senior players to sling their hooks.

Lack of recruitment- we only seem to have signed a couple of decent players the rest are journeymen, the squad looks thin.

The club manage to make season tickets purchase seem over complicated

The lack of thought for fans. We should have a free day to inspect the ground and be able to purchase a season ticket there and then.

Marketing where is it?

The shadow of Sale- whilst most accept that we need to generate income and sharing is the obvious solution most fans worry about the publicity we will lose as the MEN is more interested in Union and Kennedy wrecking things. I am worried we will become a 2nd class club in our ground.

Change things when he doesnt want to be there and isnt present at training - no there not the lazy players you refer to - they wernt slagging him off just telling me how he's been acting and what he's been doing since he got back.

Why is everybody so misguided - that MP is the man to turn us around ! I'm not saying he cant but everyone bases there oppinion on the fact that he has "balls" and "speaks the truth" because he came out and annilhated the club from top to bottom ? his exact words when he'd finished slating the club were "Salford want me to do a Job..and I want to do a job..but those jobs are 2 completely different thing"

Players have told me he's annoyed he now has to make a go of the players he has not the players he wanted to bring in.. when he was told he would be able to change the squad completely. ! again i'm not saying thats right but thats what's happening.

Some genuine, level headed players basically think he's 3 sheets to the wind, has poor man management and general wild behaviour. How are we going to build a good team when the vast majority of players feel this way?

I'm not saying dont back the coach but people need to open there eye's theres allot going on behind closed doors that people dont realise.

Felt like this for the last couple of seasons now, must admit I would like more than anything for the team to prove us doubters wrong, but I really think this season could be an embarrassing one on the field. The squad is much weaker than last year and all this talk of unrest off the field can't be good.

The views they gave were that he's not respected amoung the players and the other main problem which is he's upset those above him, once again i'm not saying that what he came out and said was wrong or right, but it certainly hasnt gone unoticed and is being delt with, accordingly if he doesnt want to be there this will suit both parties.

I'm sure him leaving will suit the board more than him. He came in and voiced off apparently on promises that the club had made to him that were it seems unfounded and untrue. It seems to me the. Club are reaping the rewards of their own inadequate attempts to run a SL club. I'm sure it would be easier to bring in another McRae type who will play the game , keep quiet and go through the motions.

I believe that MP has then potential to be a game changer for the club. If the board refuse to back him and help him then they can shove my season pass up their ass, 'cos I won't be getting another after this season.

and I suppose if they back him and he doesnt hit reasonable performance targets then he's to balme? Or would it still be the club to blame for dangling him a carrot all that time ago ? The club cant win either way, MP wont look bad either way, thats why I think he came in so early an slated the club so publically. If he goes, he's made the reasons's why he's leaving clear and who can blame him... If he stays, and doesnt hit reasonable target's who can blame him because he was mislead.

As Ive said the players ive spoken to have made it clear he's unhappy, and doesnt want to be there, and we can all say (with a degree of hohnesty) who can blame him, he has a meeting with the board who are also unhappy...

So much drama but the board are largely to blame for this mess, Salford wont attract a decent established coach until things drastically change. Other wise its unknown - unproven - Shaun Mcrae types...

What a suprise Salford players moaning about the coach! Grow a set of fu*cking balls and deal with it. No matter who we have as coach they always seem to moan. Maybe Matt is making them train harder than what they what they'd like....

If these players are pi$$ed off then let them go.
If the coach is also pi$$ed off then again let him go.
As a certain Manager once said "players and coaches come and go but the club and what it stands for is always there"

Blue seats rumours of pi$$ed off players coaches and fans and the season has not even started.
It had better be Hollands pies at the ground and Strongbow on sale or thats it I am not going to set foot in the place.
The joys of being a Salford fan.

O and nice to see Joel Moon & McPherson have both got their visa's and are bonding well with the "team"

I think many of us have felt like this at some point... and I can speak from personal experience... especially being seen as one of the most negative people on here in recent times... However... what keeps me going is that like you, I have grown up with this club and it just won't go away. I can feel lower than low at some times, but I'm not sure whether it's the underdog in me or being one of a great bunch of supporters that keeps me going. I love being a Salford fan... because of who we are, and what we go through. I love that hope that one day we may have our day... Not sure when it will be and how much patience I have, but 25+ years of hoping makes it hard to turn away. I compare it to the guy who stands waiting for a bus for an hour... knowing he could have walked it in that time... but scared of moving because as soon as he does... the bus will come... so deciding to wait... no matter how long it takes.

The problem is... the negativity always comes back... whether it be during the season due to poor performances, or in the off season due to what seems like a host of incompetencies from the way they go about things.

If we were all to sit and write lists of positives and negatives about the club... and be totally honest... I can bet every one of us would have a list of negatives that is longer than the positives... but something keeps us coming back for more. Maybe we all just enjoy a moan.

The off season can create some downtime. We don't hear a lot from the club, and what we do hear a lot of the time makes us feel worse. A lot of rumours...a lot of truth... but not much ever has us jumping to the skies. There doesn't seem to be a lot of invention within the club. We are always lacking behind on the playing side, and seem very much lacking off the field.

We have a lot of people set in their ways at the club and the club could do with some fresh blood. There are people working there who do actually care... but are never quite given that chance to shine.

The list is endless as to things that can make you want to walk away... Every year we are behind with the kits. We have a new membership... We've managed to mess that up too. What seems like good deals has been over-complicated. The Website... All agree that this could be better. Get the fans to write articles in the off-season. We need somebody to use their imagination at the club. There is no reason why we couldn't have something new every other day. The team... average signings and all feel like it's going to be another one of those years when we look at how everybody else is shaping up.

Now... we are in a position where it seems that the guy who we all had a belief in... may not be the right man for the job. If the players aren't happy... then this all sounds too familiar. We always manage to have a group of players who don't play for the fans or even each other... they do it for themselves... they only care about number one. I'm never one for players kissing the badge on the shirt... but how I crave to see one do it at Salford and mean it. The coach wants to do it his way... and it seems the club won't let him. Too set in their ways... hence the reason we need some new blood. I know exactly who I'd fire off in a shot... I think we would all get shut of the same people... but it isn't going to happen. MP did want a job in Australia... Cronulla I believe... but it didn't happen. I personally don't see him being here much longer. Somebody has to be accountable for that... and I'm not sure who.

So... to answer the original post....

Same name... Absolutely.

New Stadium... Yes.

Different Club... Not a chance. It's exactly the same as it's always been and will continue to be for some time. Players and coaching problems, poor signings, poor organisation, the feeling of always being let down, the list goes on.

So... if you've put up with all this before... you can put up with it for longer... just like the rest of us will. The only thing that has changed is a new ground, and if you can deal with that... then the rest it just the usual Salford RLFC.

I know it's like Chinese water torture... but you walk away and you'll find it harder to come back than you would to leave.

It's Salford... It's our club... it's a pain in the backside... but it's our pain in the backside.