Not really. As I said, I don't mind the debate, which has been had in a reasonable way a few times on here, round and around in circles. But recently you've really attempted to shoehorn it into things as much as possible, as if you're ashamed of Salford and just want to push your own agenda. It's getting very, very tiresome.



Pot, kettle, black. Made me laugh, though.



You're making yourself look daft here - the Red Devils "rebrand" is a huge nod to our heritage. Without Salford RLFC's heritage and the history of Les Diables Rouges, the current "rebrand" wouldn't have happened. So it's modernisation with a historical twist. And yes, modernisation can bring improvements, but not necessarily. Ask supporters of Cardiff City, for instance.

A club's history and heritage is part of it's very fabric, something intrinsic and important. Without it, a club is nothing. To suggest it lies purely in books and memories is ridiculous. We'll stop paying homage to Watkins, Fielding, Risman, Todd, et al, then?

Would I baulk at a successful side called the Red Devils? No. Would I baulk at a successful side that actively distanced itself from Salford? Yes.



But to some people, the name is just an intrinsic part of what runs through their veins. Some people support the club because it's a Salford club and represents their home city. Just as their parents did, or their grandparents. MK Dons still claim to be the same club that won the FA Cup in 1988. Anyone with half a brain would tell you that that club died the moment the name changed and they were moved to another part of the country.


The problem is also part of a wider gentrification of the City of Salford. The name is seen to have negative connotations. The University of Salford is now "The University of Salford - Manchester". MediaCity is pushed as being in Manchester, rather than Salford. If the city's only professional sports club then also decides to start rebranding itself away from Salford then surely you can see why people may just start to get a bit annoyed? All those places should be helping to promote the city and admonish it's bad name. Not running away from it.

The other thing, of course, is that any sort of rebrand is often used to make a club more successful, or increase attendances. The fact that Salford, playing as Salford, got 10,000+ for the last game at the Willows and 7,000+ for the first game of 2014 show that a club's branding is pretty meaningless for attracting new/lapsed supporters. A successful team on the pitch is what matters. If people concentrated on that, we'd probably get somewhere.

It is a good kit deal, it is good that we've got sponsors with clout and it is good that we've got a promise of a bright future. But to label people as "nit-picky", "doom-mongers", "moaners" or to suggest people "get a grip" because they don't fall into line and say how everything's wonderful is ridiculous. So people would like to see Salford on the shirt - is that a bad thing? So people would like to see Salford playing in red and white - is that worthy of being dismissed as negative people who don't appreciate what's been done by MK to save the club? So people would like to see things in the City of Salford recognised as being in Salford and not Manchester - is that worthy of being dismissed as "the usual suspects" and "the same old moaners"?

No, of course not. But, just as when John Wilkinson was in charge, people are not allowed to have a contrary opinion without being dismissed as ungrateful for what the club's owner has done for us.

Just to repeat. The kit deal is good. The sponsorship deal is good. I don't like the colours. Some people don't like the seeming move away from Salford branding across the club, not just on the shirt. Hardly worth getting on your high horses about, is it?

PS - if MK walks away from Salford because of a few people who don't agree with his every decision, I'd be mightily surprised.

Do prefer the lower neck line and contrasting UA signs on the players shirts.

Even though I liked it at first sight have to say even better when you physically see it.

I really didn't like the design when I saw them mocked up but in the flesh they look great (particularly the players ones).

Any ideas whether the players edition is available to purchase?

I know, it's almost like someone at the club know what they are doing, wonders never cease



I'd much prefer to shell out a little more and buy the players one, looks much better when you spot the differences.

And apparently you'll be able to buy them in the new store opening in January in the Lowry.

That's good progress for me, just think of all those Salford shop lifters wearing their ill gotten gains to promote the club

I'd certainly pay a little more too for the players one.