Quote ="Dantes Inferno"Lyrad Redneck. Hillbilly red, You have to revert to insults. Awe did i hit a nerve because i bring the 29 year failings of JW to light, oh diddums. I take it the man himself has sent you to condescend my judgements and opinions. Its a big phat ( der i spelt fat wrong ) yes in my book, he has failed bigtime to move us forward, brought us nothing but false promises, relegation dogfights, dwindling crowds, absolute terrible signings, 14 badly appointed coaches, a pathetic 1980s customer service operation, a nwc amateur club shop, a non existant PR team, a CEO who is a complete waste of time, money and space .( a bit to close to home is that lyrad red), A needless director of football, right hand man who is another waste of time money and space. Pretty abismal reading if you ask me. Pardon me for pointing out the failings.
The fact remains for all his endeavours JW has failed to improve. How many coaches has he sacked for the same failing.
No matter how much money he has put in what has he achieved with the club?. We haven't won a single thing of any worth. 29 years of broken promises and shattered dreams.
Snape put his own money in and delivered the championship a Wembley appearance and a team full of internationals who went to australia and WON the Ashes.
As mesiahs go JW is very much an amateur and an absolute proffessional at keeping us afloat!'"
You've just been corrected yet again...
Quote ="Always behind the sticks"Quote ="TheButcher"At least we have 29 years of something. Without JW you would have been lucky to be even writing your drivel on the Turkey now.
I am growing a little tired of DI's stuttering and headache inducing posts. A lot of people have turned right off the Turkey due to the lack of reasoned discussion in favour of keyboard bell-endery.
No point saying anything else to DI or the number of 'Negs' (A term for people who only post negative sputum and disappear when anything vaguely positive happens) as they just resort to displaying their idiocy in favour of reasoned debate. As will probably happen with this post...'"
Well said and I agree with all the reasoned comments on here so far. I think another thing to bear in mind about the last 29 years, and something you alluded to in your post Butcher, is that DI seems to think that JW took over this club when it was in rude health both on and off the park at the end of the Snape era, when in fact the club was already in terminal decline with a chairman (Keith Snape) who had no money to invest (to replace the likes of Watkins, Fielding, Hesketh, Dixon, Coulman, Nash etc. who were all getting old together) and no real appetitie to carry on.
JW came in with a little more money and a lot more passion but quickly realised that our glory days were well and truly over and that the best we could hope for was to make ourselves as competitive as we could whilst making sure the club survived. I, like many others, am frustrated with some of the shambolic marketing and administrative gaffes that the club seem to be determined to be experts in. Howewver, this does not mean that the Chairman has not achieved something remarkable in comparison to other clubs that we should benchmark ourselves against (because they broadly fall into the same category as us in that they were successful in the past but then fell on hard times) over the last 29 years and those probably include Oldham, Castleford, Wakefield Trinity, Dewsbury (yes, Dewsbury who won the old first division back in 1972/3), Featherstone Rovers and Hull KR - now look at that list and tell me that both on and off the field JW hasn't performed well as a chairman when compared to those clubs.
I wasn't going to bother posting on this thread because most of what's been said in response to those criticising JW has been well thought out and balanced but I did think the point above was missing and was worth making. [iI now await DI's ill-thought out and vitriolic response[/i.'"
Insult's ? What insult's - Oh you mean your lack of puncuation, grammer or common sense I brought to your attention earlier, yes I hold up my hand's for slating you for what seem's to be a poor education. It has worked though, you seem to have paid more attention to your more recent post's.
I dont follow your comments of how JW has "sent" us on here. I dont speak to him on a regular basis.
Or the "CEO" comment ? Do you think I'm Salford's CEO - or I'm a big waste of time money and space ?
The fact is that every post you write has been corrected by me or another member of the turkey. Your remark's get anhilated time and time again, yet you still come back and say the exact same vile thing's thing about JW. I genuinely believe you dont read any ones post's, you just come on here and write the same thing.
Do you not grasp this debate is not about the performance of JW and the board ? Me and a few other's have agreed with your point that JW's performace has been poor at time's and someone fresh (with money - somthing else you dont grasp ) would be great. So what he's sacked coaches and not won anything worth mentioning. Yeh we agree, so what's your point - your arguning with yourself.
You still keeping saying "so what if he's put more of his own money in" and "so what he's kept the club alive" - It's simple to understand that had he not the club would be in a far worse position today, if here at all. So yeh the club's been managed poorly...and what....get rid of JW and his money? Who will replace him? Who do you know with passion and money that we dont ? SO point out the failing's all you want, we all know about them and none of us agree with them, but bear in mind with those failing's come the money required to actually keep us at a level worth failing at.
Well said and I agree with all the reasoned comments on here so far. I think another thing to bear in mind about the last 29 years, and something you alluded to in your post Butcher, is that DI seems to think that JW took over this club when it was in rude health both on and off the park at the end of the Snape era, when in fact the club was already in terminal decline with a chairman (Keith Snape) who had no money to invest (to replace the likes of Watkins, Fielding, Hesketh, Dixon, Coulman, Nash etc. who were all getting old together) and no real appetitie to carry on.
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