We could. It wouldnt make any sense but we could say it if we wanted.

yes for 15 years good god.

whats that got to do with this by the way?

Agree. I think Clarke was playing for time to try to set up a long distance drop goal.

I agree peacock didn't do anything wrong with the clark tackle he didn't role which would suggest he didn't intend any harm.

He sore it though.

Course you did flower!

Not really; no-one at Leeds really thought they were destined to win then. The crying and upset from Wane and Wigan fans after the two semi final humblings in 2012 was hilarious.

Yeah, yeah, will somebody please think of the children

No-one's saying Sinfield isn't going to get and doesn't deserve a ban, probably 3 or 4 games. Only you went off with the fake humility stuff, perhaps because it's a quality lacking in the leadership at Wigan.

It was definitely a full on headbutt! That's why he was sent off. It wasn't a partial touch of the head. He wouldn't have been sent off for that. Cas would have been awarded a penalty. He did it right in front of the ref and with the Sky cameras on zoom, so we all saw it. Only the most blind Leeds fan could begin to call it anything other than a headbutt.

The question will be whether the disciplinary consider it an [iaggressive[/i headbutt. If they do then it's a Grade E to F charge; if they don't then it's a Grade C.

Would it help if someone told you that 'proper' and 'aggressive' are in this instance the same thing.

yeah we really expected to Win in 2012 what with jack murphy making his debut at full back, what has this got to do with anything?

The reason punches are now banned is to make rugby league cleaner to attract mums not opposing their kids playing the game so head butting is now not as bad? or grabbing players around the throat.

You do realise i was just wanting to send Lioner off on one wasn't you? Go back to the world cup threads and i was one person sticking up for Sinfield, if it was Mcguire then i would have meant it.

now go and take a Zanex

I said it wasn't a 'full on' headbutt, if it was Dorn would have suffered some damage, it was a headbutt a fairly soft one and deserves a 3 game ban.

problem is they didn't have any handbags before he came in with the head. Dorn has clearly shouted to Thaler to send him off for a professional foul and Sinfield has got upset about and misread the situation as Dorn moved slightly towards him the backed off and its made it look like a full head but with out any real intent.

I'm not saying he should have pre-empted the situation. I'm saying that once Clark rolled over on to his front with the Leeds man holding him down near his head/top of his back, Peacock should have let go. He didn't he held in forcefully keeping Clark's ankle in a bad position. Clark intimated that he was hurting and Peacock only let go when he got off.

Like most on here I'm surprised at what sinfield did, however the fact he has not been charged with anything over the last 6 years doesn't mean he is a saint. I know I will be slated for pointing this out but If you watch some of his tackles he does have a tendency to put his head towards the grounded player when they are on the floor, I have noticed it a few times on sky games and also he has done it in a few games against the bulls. I hasten to add he doesn't do it all the time and generally his reputation is well deserved as a fair player, on this occasion he has been caught red handed though.

Of course you were

12 pages already

This is almost Ryan Bailey esque!

Must headbutt different in Saint Helen's? My 3 year old does what Sini did when we are play fighting in the living room.

Perhaps you can let me do to you what Sini did? Then I will Head butt you. Once your nose is reset and teeth fixed we could chat about the difference

I hope he doesn't get banned so we can see another 85 pages of meltdown. He's crap anyway, you lot should want him to play week in week out. Right?

I knew you would be scrolling through every last post as i think your the most touchy Leeds fan on here. From the past couple of weeks its quite evident that Leeds are saints and anybody else especially Wigan are dirty and cheats.

Without getting all reactionary

He does headbutt, no matter how people may define it in their worlds, in the RL world that is a headbutt.

The grading we're unsure of but it ranges from 3-8 with a lower grade EGP meaning a possible 2 games minimum.

Regardless of what we think, he's at least missing the next 2 games, no big deal really.

Banned indefinatly if your version of a proper headbutt is a glasgow kiss! Sinfield showed aggression whilst forcing his head into dorns, that is a e-f punishnent

I think that's most people's definition of a proper headbutt tbh, except for football commentators.

Maybe the RFL will pretend it never happened like they did when Peacock verbally abused James Child

Strikes - head butting
A-B Head butting - makes light contact
C Head butting - makes full contact
E-F Head butting - makes full contact in aggressive violent manner

Definitions and guidelines from the rfl - I'm curious what a head butt in a none aggressive manner is though!

I was playing a few years ago and I was on the receiving end of an almost identical "headbutt" - I was completely perplexed at the time why the ref went nuts and sent him off, he got a really big ban too (12 games iirc) - there's always harsher standards for juniors, but head butting is seen as a big no no for some reason