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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I dont think Briscoe is a bad player. In fact I think he is probably the more likely of the two to create some 'magic'. I think Hall does more work, and is a better finisher, Briscoe does less but to a slightly higher standard and is more likely to pull something out of the hat.
Hall will get you more from your exit sets and will finish anything you offer him, Briscoe is more dangerous and can still get them down.
They will be complement each other well imo. Better than Carney/Reardon, Carney/Pryce/Raynor'"
briscoe is also more likely to win hull/england more penalties as he is hard to put down and his upper body strength is frightning, even tony smith admires him as he put it down to briscoe as one of our main reasons for beating warrington earlier in the season
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I dont think Briscoe is a bad player. In fact I think he is probably the more likely of the two to create some 'magic'. I think Hall does more work, and is a better finisher, Briscoe does less but to a slightly higher standard and is more likely to pull something out of the hat.
Hall will get you more from your exit sets and will finish anything you offer him, Briscoe is more dangerous and can still get them down.
They will be complement each other well imo. Better than Carney/Reardon, Carney/Pryce/Raynor'"
I agree that Hall is a good finisher but I cannot agree that you get more from him on the exit sets - for me Hall does not run his size and Briscoe is remarkably strong and invariably finds his front which creates a fast play the ball and momentum moving forward
Despite the 100 metre tries, the strongest part of Briscoe's game for me is bringing the ball away from his line which is just what you need in international football
Again, nothing against Hall as he is a good winger but in a straight choice for the left wing - Briscoe every time for me
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"your all focusing on the wrong position....
if we had world class centres then it does'nt matter if we pick hall or briscoe...but we don't which is why it makes sense you us partnerships instead'"
If we were going for the partnership approach, I would select
Jones-Bishop
Watkiins
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| Quote ="Dunbar"I agree that Hall is a good finisher but I cannot agree that you get more from him on the exit sets - for me Hall does not run his size and Briscoe is remarkably strong and invariably finds his front which creates a fast play the ball and momentum moving forward
Despite the 100 metre tries, the strongest part of Briscoe's game for me is bringing the ball away from his line which is just what you need in international football
Again, nothing against Hall as he is a good winger but in a straight choice for the left wing - Briscoe every time for me'"
I cant agree, Hall makes metres, time and time again, alot of carries, often taking it up as first receiver like a prop rather than running from dummy half.
I'd play Hall on the right, because i think he could work well with Tomkins. Yeaman and Briscoe play together on the left at club level it would seem silly to move them. Given a straight choice I'd go for Hall.
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| Quote ="Dunbar"If we were going for the partnership approach, I would select
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Watkiins
Yeaman
Briscoe'"
Watkins and BJB are clearly the most exciting option, but id want Tomkins in there. If anyone is dropped for Watkins it has to be Yeaman. And as a Leeds fan I certainly wouldnt take BJB over Hall.
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| Watkins was shown up very badly in defence by Francis Meli earlier in the season, Meli ran over him and around him time and time again. He isn't quite ready yet, certainly one for the future though.
One wing should undoubtedly be Yeaman and Briscoe, with the other out of a choice from:
Wing: Hall, McGilvary, Jones-Bishop and Charnley. Maybe Broughton and depending on what kicking options there is in the team Foster. (Foster only if there is no other goal kicking options.)
Centres: Atkins, Bridge, Shenton, Tomkins and Cudjoe.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Watkins and BJB are clearly the most exciting option, but id want Tomkins in there. If anyone is dropped for Watkins it has to be Yeaman. And as a Leeds fan I certainly wouldnt take BJB over Hall.'"
Watkins and Jones-Bishop are right sided though so I don’t see it as a choice between Watkins and Yeaman but Watkins and Tomkins in this regard. As the year has progressed I think Tomkins has put himself in contention for the right centre spot but I think Watkins has all the talent in the world and would do well if he got a chance internationally
As for the wings... I would go with BJB if we were talking partnerships to partner Watkins... but for me, the best right winger in the competition this year has been McGillvary and he has shown the same strength and finishing as Hall and Briscoe have
I think we are lucky to have three wingers in Briscoe, Hall and McGillvary who can compete internationally... a partnership from any two of these would be light years ahead of the Calderwood and Gardner partnership we had in the last world cup
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I dont think Briscoe is a bad player. In fact I think he is probably the more likely of the two to create some 'magic'. I think Hall does more work, and is a better finisher, Briscoe does less but to a slightly higher standard and is more likely to pull something out of the hat.
Hall will get you more from your exit sets and will finish anything you offer him, Briscoe is more dangerous and can still get them down.
They will be complement each other well imo. Better than Carney/Reardon, Carney/Pryce/Raynor'"
Not sure how you can say Hall is a better finisher to be honest.
The glass half full crowd would say that Briscoe is more efficient at turning the chances he gets into tries, irrespective of where he gets the ball. His Centre is renowned for not passing to him that often, yet despite this he still produces the good when given the chance.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Not sure how you can say Hall is a better finisher to be honest.
The glass half full crowd would say that Briscoe is more efficient at turning the chances he gets into tries, irrespective of where he gets the ball. His Centre is renowned for not passing to him that often, yet despite this he still produces the good when given the chance.'"
Hall has scored 20 tries playing outside Carl Ablett, a player doing a good job but not a centre. I dont think Hall being better means Briscoe isnt good.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Watkins and BJB are clearly the most exciting option, but id want Tomkins in there. If anyone is dropped for Watkins it has to be Yeaman. And as a Leeds fan I certainly wouldnt take BJB over Hall.'"
Tomkins would be out of his depth he's not even a centre imo
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| Quote ="Dunbar"Watkins and Jones-Bishop are right sided though so I don’t see it as a choice between Watkins and Yeaman but Watkins and Tomkins in this regard. As the year has progressed I think Tomkins has put himself in contention for the right centre spot but I think Watkins has all the talent in the world and would do well if he got a chance internationally
As for the wings... I would go with BJB if we were talking partnerships to partner Watkins... but for me, the best right winger in the competition this year has been McGillvary and he has shown the same strength and finishing as Hall and Briscoe have
I think we are lucky to have three wingers in Briscoe, Hall and McGillvary who can compete internationally... a partnership from any two of these would be light years ahead of the Calderwood and Gardner partnership we had in the last world cup'"
I think Watkins still has things to learn defensively and would be a nod to the future. Id like to see him with Ellis next to him. Going forward he is very creative, big, strong, speedy.
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| tomkins at centre?
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have you seen him at centre? i feel sorry for him in all honesty... maybe next year wigan will play him back in the second row and let him get some respectability back into his game.
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| Tomkins
Briscoe
Cudjoe
Bridge
Hall
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| Does anyone know, or has it been confirmed, if Jack Reed has decided which country to represent?
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| nope.....go on ewetube and type his name...and watch the interview with him and alex glenn....then i think you'll figure out from that who he's going to opt for.....the lads a proud queenslander
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| Id go with Tomkins briscoe yeaman bridge and hall.
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"nope.....go on ewetube and type his name...and watch the interview with him and alex glenn....then i think you'll figure out from that who he's going to opt for.....the lads a proud queenslander'"
I will take your word for it mate as cant get on said website it work!!
Is there ant glimmer of hope that he will choose England!?!
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| hope? you wanna pin hope on a lad who was laying brick last year and has only played 23? first grade games
he's only got his chance because of the lack to 3/4 talent coming through the NRL..his 50m solo "miracle" try he scored against melbourne owed itself more to shocking tackling tha wonderful play..the last melbourne storm defender bloody runs away from him!!!
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| Definatly Tomkins at full back with Yeaman and Briscoe the left centre/wing partnership.
Then on the other side:
Wingers - Hall, Charnley or Jones Bishop.
Centres - Tomkins, Bridge, Cudjoe or Watkins.
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| Quote ="FC Callum"Definatly Tomkins at full back with Yeaman and Briscoe the left centre/wing partnership.
Then on the other side:
Wingers - Hall, Charnley or Jones Bishop.
Centres - Tomkins, Bridge, Cudjoe or Watkins.'"
A fair assessment although I would say McGilvray is a real contender for the right wing spot... fast, strong and with a good workrate
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| Cudjoe and Charnley for my money
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| Quote ="Code13"Cudjoe and Charnley for my money'"
Cant see any problem with that. Cudjoe is great in attack and standard in defence and Charnley is good in defense and a good finisher.
I do think McGillvray should be given a chance though. Great talent but might be a year too early for him.
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| its nice to see a good argument about the relative strengths of a couple of very good left wingers eligable for england.
anyone remember when we were so lacking in that dept we had to play richard horne there?
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| Quote ="Dunbar"A fair assessment although I would say McGilvray is a real contender for the right wing spot... fast, strong and with a good workrate'"
Ah forgot McGillvary, another contender.
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| Gerry also has a very very good attacking kick on him too, able to put the ball back inside for the likes of Tomkins (s)
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