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| Quote ="Roofs"Yeah but you've got no fans and no-one cares about Quins.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Yeah but you've got no fans and no-one cares about Quins.
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You mean apart from the RFL and Sky TV? Probably the two most important links for SL clubs?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"we ended up with more [url=http://www.league.quins.co.uk/news/12410.php[uSILVERWARE[/u[/url than Hull Kingston Australians in 2010...and did it with british players
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2008 - 9th
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2011 ???
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I dont care where HKA finish. The only reason I dont want them to do well is I want a club like Cas who only have very few overseas players to be rewarded rather than punished for it.'"
Brought a tear to my eye that smokey
Hopefully the quality youngsters we have can make a big impression on sl this year and see us do well.
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apparently there wasnt a scrum half out there Hull KA could take a punt on, there arent players out there, no 'rough diamonds' you can try and police
www.therhinos.co.uk/news/15575.php
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apparently there wasnt a scrum half out there Hull KA could take a punt on, there arent players out there, no 'rough diamonds' you can try and police
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I do
Seriously, I spent many an evening debating the pro's and con's on these boards in 2003/2004 of London Broncos and the fact that we were a team full of aussies. Now we have turned full circle and are producing our own players, it is interesting to see some of the excuses rolled out bu a 130yr old club as to why they can't find 25 locals to play for them but instead are employing twice the number of overseas players as they should.......all in the pursuit of their better run more recently successful neighbours.
Hull Kingston Australians will make the 8, proabably a quarter or semi of the cup but essentially win nothing in 2011........so this askes the question why they just don't bite the bullet and field more brits.......
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You're a lesser club now than you were then! You're less competitive, your crowds are worse and no one outside RL knows who the hell you are because you jumped into bed with a union club, borrowed their pyjamas and got their name!
Yeah your squad is made up of predominately British players; problem is they're not very good. None of them have made a jot of difference to the competitiveness of the national side - and after [i15 years[/i in Super League.
Admittedly HKR would do well to prepare a little earlier for the rules rather than exhausting every single possibility of adding yet another aussie to their payroll, but if you think what's going on at quins is worth celebrating, you carry on lad
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"apparently there wasnt a scrum half out there Hull KA could take a punt on, there arent players out there, no 'rough diamonds' you can try and police
www.therhinos.co.uk/news/15575.php'"
There are plenty of rough diamonds out there, but you can't fill a whole squad with them. You need sometimes to sign quality, proven players. Where we have failed, if failure it is, is in not signing more players like Shaun Briscoe or Peter Fox.
Top British players aren't available often. Of this year's 4 nations squad, only Shenton moved clubs.
The connection between using experienced antipodeans and not giving British kids a chance is false and a bit annoying. It is [uexperienced[/u British players of proven quality that our squad is short on, not rough diamonds.
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"apparently there wasnt a scrum half out there Hull KA could take a punt on, there arent players out there, no 'rough diamonds' you can try and police
www.therhinos.co.uk/news/15575.php'"
There are plenty of rough diamonds out there, but you can't fill a whole squad with them. You need sometimes to sign quality, proven players. Where we have failed, if failure it is, is in not signing more players like Shaun Briscoe or Peter Fox.
Top British players aren't available often. Of this year's 4 nations squad, only Shenton moved clubs.
The connection between using experienced antipodeans and not giving British kids a chance is false and a bit annoying. It is [uexperienced[/u British players of proven quality that our squad is short on, not rough diamonds.
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| Quote ="Kingmaker"icon_lol.gif
Yeah your squad is made up of predominately British players; problem is they're not very good. None of them have made a jot of difference to the competitiveness of the national side - and after [i15 years[/i in Super League.
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so...15 years ago we should have unveiled a squad of 19 to 27yr old londoners we had grown in a lab?
Tonny Clubb......9yrs old when SL started....made a pretty big impact IIRC. If his name was Tomkins he would be seen as the saviour of the game but because he's from little old london it was only PNG
Back on the topic.......HKA have more overseas players than 2 other SL clubs and yet you still come back to this thread trying to defend this fact. I even said fair play if you can get away with it and you had to have a go.....so here we go again....you will win SFA this year.....have to bin a few crims next year an end up the lesser of th 2 hull teams again......and the only people to gain are the average aussies here for their pensions.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"There are plenty of rough diamonds out there, but you can't fill a whole squad with them.'" You have very very few
Quote You need sometimes to sign quality, proven players. Where we have failed, if failure it is, is in not signing more players like Shaun Briscoe or Peter Fox. '" you mean proven british players lke Briscoe and Fox?
Quote Top British players aren't available often. Of this year's 4 nations squad, only Shenton moved clubs.'" plus other internationals like Diskin,
Quote The connection between using experienced antipodeans and not giving British kids a chance is false and a bit annoying. It is [uexperienced[/u British players of proven quality that our squad is short on, not rough diamonds.'"
Rubbish, your squad is short on british players of any persuasion, experienced, young and 'rough diamonds'
You havent brought in the likes of Shenton or Diskin because you have spent more on overseas players, and you havent brought in the likes of Amor, Coady, Hardaker, Kettlewell, for the same reason you havent brought through many academy players, because it is easier to sign an NRL failure.
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| Quote ="Roofs"30 years of RL help and preferential treatment has won your sham of a club SFA.
Our progress the last few years has been earned, not having things handed to us like Fulcrubronquins have had, e.g. your SL place which you did not deserve.
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OK.....here we go AGAIN.
1. Re-read the thread title. If you want to bitch about imaginary hand outs etc then start another thread. I miss the old "BLAME lONDON' threads we used to get from you flatearth lot...they were fun. This thread is about overseas players.
2. You earned your SL status....but you have had "special" dipensations on overseas players...so your progress has been assisted by the RFL......and that's a fact unlike imaginary cash injections.
3.In 2000, I believe that the London Broncos had 9 overseas players in their squad. Regardless of if you want to count back to Fulham, the crusaders, or any other incarnation, the fact remains that 20yrs or 5 years after our inception...we had less overseas players than a team with a proud 130+ yr history......
4. In 1997, we finished 2nd in SL. We did this with 11 overseas players in the squad......1 more than you have now.
5. In 2003 and 2005 we made the play-offs with 7 overseas players each time......3 less than you have now.
6. Since SL started, there have been 22 teams that have taken part in the comp.......of the 8 that are no longer in the comp, which ones would you have replace us? Widnes? Possibly...they are a proper RL club with an academy set up in place whllst in the Championship....and a pretty good one at that. Of the others....leigh, oldham, Paris, Sheffield, Halifax, Workington and Gateshead...do you believe that these are a better option than London? I mean to say....we don;t even hold the record for the lowest average gates in a season.....I believe that Halifax, Workington and Paris are debating that stat. So whilst we have no fans to speak of (see point 1)...we have never finished in a relegation position and only Widnes and Catalans fans can debate that topic with any authority.
7. How many HKA academy products have been capped by England/GB since 1996? How many have scored 4 tries in an England international since 1996.
8. Your argument that you have had to live in the shadow of SL carries no water if you continue to state that we were created in 1980........so what date do you want to use?
9. Please...before you reply re-read the thread title and turn off your button
Cracking thread.......
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| makes no difference roofs...we will fold and reform as many times as we like. Being the Bast4rd love child of Lewis and Murdoch has its advantages
2018 SL grand final will feature a London Franchise with 17 cockneys in the team and 5 more playing for HKA (Because your academy will still NEED TIME)
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Reading this thread is giving me glaucoma....
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| Oh, and your marketing ideas for Fulcrubronquins won't save the experiment either.
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| Quote ="Roofs"A Rovers v Quins Final at Old Trafford - sure would be sweet. 500 tickets be enough for you guys?
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What will they do with the other 493?
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Send them to us I guess.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"What will they do with the other 493?'"
Put them on e-bay and sell them to the East Hull Bandwagoners
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They won't now roofs... I get paid by both codes over here and seem to be doing an OK job.....contracts just renewed.
Quins and the Broncos before hand seemed to have an attitude that whatever I suggested they would do the opposite.......I am the clubs biggest detractor and speaking the plain truth bluntly isn't what they want to hear.....
anyway...at least if the club do go under, they will do so with a decent group of youngsters coming through that will be looking for new clubs.....they just won't apply to East Hull...there's no room there because of all the 'stralians.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Put them on e-bay and sell them to the East Hull Bandwagoners
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They call it 'building your support' mate, it's something successful clubs do (e.g. compare Leeds '96 crowds to now, Hull 2002 to now, us 2006 to now, etc).
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