Good point.


Either way, I can say with some confidence, Walker will not be a Bradford player next season.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 922464.ece doesnt seem to have any impact on the Orford deal directly - the Bulls would just have to choose which 5 of their 6 Aussies they want to register with the RFL. They will still have to honour the contract of the 6th one though.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 922464.ece doesnt seem to have any impact on the Orford deal directly - the Bulls would just have to choose which 5 of their 6 Aussies they want to register with the RFL. They will still have to honour the contract of the 6th one though.

that's under the assumption there actually is a contract between Walker and the Bulls and not just a letter of intent.

I know you can never trust anyones version of events in this kind of thing but:

“We negotiated in good faith. We signed a letter of agreement in August and they issued a contract and we signed it and sent it back to them."

sounds like they are fairly certain there is a contract in place.

If Bulls did not sign it FIRST, and have stiull not signed it, then there is no written contract.

However, I suspect that a judge might well decide that, on balance of probabilities, a de facto contract was in place and that Walker was entitled to rely on it - unless there was something explict to the contrary.

I keep suggesting Bulls fans keep our powder dry on all this. I just hope this does not turn out to be another Bulls contract disaster (its already a PR disaster). That barrel of powder may be dry, but its big and well-primed, and if this goes tîts up I can see the fanbase going nuclear. Please God let it not be so.

Doesn`t a contract have to be signed by both parties? I`d assume that both sides to the contract would have a copy with both signatures, so are we supposed to believe that Walker signed in August but hasn`t bothered (or perhaps more likely, his agent hasn`t bothered) to chase up his copy of the completed paperwork?

Let`s be realistic; Walker reckons he signed a contract in August, in the meantime the club has signed a number of players for next year and one by one they have all been announced except Walker`s `deal`, which seems to have been `forgotten`?

Not the most likely scenario to be honest.

I`m not %100 on this but my understanding is that legally,a verbal contract is just as binding as a written contract. It is, for obvious reasons, just a teeny bit more difficult for a court to decide whether, and in what form, it might have existed.

I`ve forgotten who said that a verbal contract wan`t worth the paper it was printed on, some American I think, but whilst legally that might not be strictly the case, in practice I guess it might be.

A verbal agreement does legally have the same value as a written contract.

I suspect that a verbal agreement followed by a written contract being sent would constitute a contractual agreement, regardless of whether it was actually signed by the Bulls or not.

That is my understanding, the fact that he has a contract from Bradford (if he does!) would suggest quite obviously some kind of verbal agreement.

They can be verbal, sure, but that's not the question. The question is simply whether the parties have reached a legally binding agreement.

That isn't as banal as it may read. What I am saying is that the document with the word "CONTRACT" at the top is just [uevidence of[/u the agreement, or the proposed agreement.

The advantage of a written contract is that it cuts down on the obvious scope for dispute as to what was and was not agreed.

The advantage of a proper contract procedure is that as long as everything is strictly specified as being subject to contract, then there can be no doubt as to exactly when an agreement is reached.

So it would depend what the agreed procedure for finalising the contract was. If it was that the contract would not become effective until both parties signed it, and if the Bulls had not agreed to sign it by a certain date, then they're OK. If things weren't legally tied down, then yes there may be scope for Walker to argue that a legally binding agreement was reached.

I can't see how there is anything at all Walker could do to affect the signing of Orford, though. That would surely be 100% between Orford and the Bulls.

Conditions of a Verbal Agreement
Under law there are two basic terms that constitute a binding agreement. The verbal agreement will be binding if there was an agreement on the services to be performed and an agreement was reached on remuneration for this service. This agreement can be reached by a verbal exchange in person, via telephone or via an email.


There are certain contracts and agreements that must be made in writing and these will include the sale of property, tenancy agreements, copyright transfer, and contracts for consumer credit. In some cases, verbal agreements will not be upheld in court, not because of the lack of a written agreement but because the terms of the verbal agreement were not clarified.


[url=http://www.contractsandagreements.co.uk/law-and-verbal-agreements.htmlFrom Here[/url

I read somewhere Walker said he has two letters of intent as well. I suspect the 'evidence' that he in good faith assumed Bradford were genuinely offering him a contract will be there. That's not the same as saying he'll end up there - he also said something along the lines of being happy to be paid out as well.

of course he would! getting paid £200k and not having to move to Bradford sounds perfect to me.

He also apparently has a Visa sponsorship number supplied to him by the Bull at the same time as they sent him a contract. I can't see how that can be interpreted as anything other than a 'verbal' agreement TBH.

TBH I'd expect all SL clubs to do something similar with their overseas players. Afterall, part of the visa critera is showing you have a job to go to.

I'd also expect that any contract would be dependant on the player GETTING a visa.

If the LOI said that they had reached agreement & intended to complete formal contracts I would expect a judge to conclude there is a pretty strong argument.

The new visa rules require a sponsors number to be sourced from the sport's governing body, in this case the RFL. They will normally only supply one if shown a valid contract, as the sponsor's number is essentially a guarantee for the visa issuing authority that the player has a job to go to.

In short, it's not something that you would send out to someone that you were not fully intending to employ.

The contract may well have been conditional on him getting a visa, but until he is confirmed to have been rejected for one (and had a chance to appeal) then surely any such clause can not be activated.

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Quote ="roughyedspud"i love being wrong... www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... dford.html'" There is no confirmation that he is leaving.

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Yes, laugh because a player is injured.

He hasn't been released, he's got to have an op, but he will still be here next season.

you'll never see him in a bulls shirt again..

Seems a strange comment to say about a player who will be around next season. I may have read that wrong but that's what it sounds like to me.

and to be honest i don't care if rubbish,overpaid aussies get injured....

Idiot.