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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"The tone of the first post usually sets the tone for the rest of the thread. The idea that millions of RFL cash was suddenly justified by the fact that one junior team has set up in Wrexham is absurd and invited disagreement. A more sensible discussion would have taken place if dally hadn't adopted a "take that flatcapper!" approach.
Indeed. These are good times for the expansion of junior RL in non-heartland areas. Lots of positive developments everywhere you look.'"
millions of RFL cash?
the RFL lent them 700,000 pounds secured by a mortgage over their ground
700,000 isnt even one million, let alone millions
lets have some reality here instead of pure bs
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"No, my idea is a semi-pro team that will still be around in 5 years as opposed to one that moves or goes bust at the end of every season.
Crusaders will have to move mountains this season to get the kinds of attendances that they got last year because of the bankruptcy, the points deductions and the use of the stadium to finance their debts. All of these stem from their inability to pay their bills in Bridgend.'"
so if crusaders survive this season youll come on here and admit you were wrong?
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| Quote ="dally messenger"millions of RFL cash?
the RFL lent them 700,000 pounds secured by a mortgage over their ground
700,000 isnt even one million, let alone millions
lets have some reality here instead of pure bs'"
BS is overlooking the fact that they get TV money each and every SL year (and it's more than 700k). It is millions.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Glad to hear it. Do they play any competitive games?'"
No - we're a summer club and there are no junior leagues currently playing during the summer.
They take part in festivals against clubs in the same position and also play friendly games against clubs from the North West Counties league. They've racked up some very impressive results against more established teams and we've got a few lads with Warrington Service Area.
Obviously, we hope the switch to summer happens ASAP.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"so if crusaders survive this season youll come on here and admit you were wrong?'"
Depends.
Their first SL season was worse than I had thought but I don't remember too many people apologising for making "flatcapper" allegations.
But that aside, their second surprised me, I wasn't completely convinced that they would even finish the season. The near full house in their opening game actually had me convinced that they might just pull it off.
However, it has been one bad news story after another since the end of the season and I think that there has just been too much bad publicity. They might prove me wrong but I think that it will be another bumpy season and Crusaders will turn into Bronquins. Alive but only just.
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| Quote ="joedynamo"Says the fella who spent his Sunday 'whingeing' about the RFL on the internet.'"
Maybe I like whingeing about the RFL but you don't like reading my posts. So why do it?
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Besides, I kinda like rugby - and unlike you, wish the people and the game in Wales well.'"
You don't know me from Adam.
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| Quote ="Gladiators"No - we're a summer club and there are no junior leagues currently playing during the summer.
They take part in festivals against clubs in the same position and also play friendly games against clubs from the North West Counties league. They've racked up some very impressive results against more established teams and we've got a few lads with Warrington Service Area.
Obviously, we hope the switch to summer happens ASAP.'"
Fingers crossed.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Maybe I like whingeing about the RFL but you don't like reading my posts. So why do it?'"
Mainly because, imho, you are a pretty good and articulate poster. Usually. In order to prove dally wrong, you decided to trash the RFL and development by the saders, and then got all precious when called on it.
Quote They might prove me wrong but I think that it will be another bumpy season and Crusaders will turn into Bronquins. Alive but only just.'"
And the on bright side, Franchises are up at the end of the season and you will get to say how clever you were..
How exciting for you.
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| Quote ="joedynamo"Mainly because, imho, you are a pretty good and articulate poster. Usually. [uIn order to prove dally wrong, you decided to trash the RFL and development by the saders[/u, and then got all precious when called on it.
And the on bright side, Franchises are up at the end of the season and you will get to say how clever you were..
How exciting for you.'"
Umm no dally is ridiculous using this as a "See I was right". Whether this was or was not a good use of RFL money is still very much up-in-the-air. I'm pretty sure that they would not have made the same licencing decisions if they had had the benefit of hindsight.
As for the Crusaders I don't wish them any misfortune (as I don't with any rugby league club) and I expect that the RFL will renew their licence. I think they were wrong in 2008 but I cannot see how revoking their licence would improve matters.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"BS is overlooking the fact that they get TV money each and every SL year (and it's more than 700k). It is millions.'"
you said the rfl give them millions
sky money is different to an rfl loan, except for people like you who are biased to buggery
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Depends.
Their first SL season was worse than I had thought but I don't remember too many people apologising for making "flatcapper" allegations.
But that aside, their second surprised me, I wasn't completely convinced that they would even finish the season. The near full house in their opening game actually had me convinced that they might just pull it off.
However, it has been one bad news story after another since the end of the season and I think that there has just been too much bad publicity. They might prove me wrong but I think that it will be another bumpy season and Crusaders will turn into Bronquins. Alive but only just.'"
you said crusaders go broke every season
so this being year 2 they should be going broke again this year
if they dont youll be good enough to admit your error
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Umm no dally is ridiculous using this as a "See I was right".'"
Meh, what harm is he doing? Except to peoples fragile ego's of course.
Does the following quote even make sense?:
Quote ="dally"sky money is different to an rfl loan, except for people like you who are biased to buggery'"
Quote ="Hedgehog King"I'm pretty sure that they would not have made the same licencing decisions if they had had the benefit of hindsight.'"
I would prob agree with ya, should we spend four years moaning about the decision or try and help the saders make a success of it? Remember, the Wrexham club is a very different animal to the LS owned set up, as are the Skorps.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"you said crusaders go broke every season
so this being year 2 they should be going broke again this year
if they dont youll be good enough to admit your error'"
Umm they did go broke.
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| Quote ="joedynamo"Meh, what harm is he doing? Except to peoples fragile ego's of course.'"
I'm not the one complaining about people's posts.
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Does the following quote even make sense?:
I would prob agree with ya, should we spend four years moaning about the decision or try and help the saders make a success of it? Remember, the Wrexham club is a very different animal to the LS owned set up, as are the Skorps.'"
I really don't think that the Crusaders need my help.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"icon_lol.gif
you said the rfl give them millions
sky money is different to an rfl loan, except for people like you who are biased to buggery'"
Sky money is giving them millions....
They certainly didn't get it on merit.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Sky money is giving them millions....
They certainly didn't get it on merit.'"
thats not what you said, keep shifting the goal posts
the RFL dont give them millions
its rubbish like this which ill informed people read on internet forums and parrot
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| Quote ="dally messenger"thats not what you said, keep shifting the goal posts
the RFL dont give them millions
its rubbish like this which ill informed people read on internet forums and parrot'"
It is what I said. The RFL has spent millions on Crusaders, one junior rugby league team isn't "proof it was money worth spending". Only a few good seasons from Crusaders will prove that.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Quote ="joedynamo"Meh, what harm is he doing? Except to peoples fragile ego's of course.'" I'm not the one complaining about people's posts.
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Sigh...You're not really up to this, are you bud:
Quote ="Hedgehog King"Umm no dally is ridiculous using this as a "See I was right".'"
Look, another poster is mocking us with positive postings about the game, buuurrrrn hiiiiiimmmmm!
You just cant help yourselves, can you:
Quote I really don't think that the Crusaders need my help.'"
Nor would they want it. They are only interested in (creating) actual Rugby League fans, but good to see you have the game at heart.
Edit: Added creating, cos I could.
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| Quote ="joedynamo"Sigh...You're not really up to this, are you bud:
Look, another poster is mocking us with positive postings about the game, buuurrrrn hiiiiiimmmmm!
You just cant help yourselves, can you:
Nor would they want it. They are only interested in Rugby League fans, but good to see you have the game at heart.'"
Don't take this the wrong way but I think you are bonkers.
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| Yep, when all else fails go for the personal attack.
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| Quote ="joedynamo"Yep, when all else fails go for the personal attack.'"
Nothing has failed just that your posts make no kind of sense.
You don't like reading my (and Starbug's) posts and yet you do.
You seem upset that I actually disagreed with dally and accuse me of throwing some kind of tantrum but I haven't complained about dally's posts.
You don't really seem to be making any coherent point beyond the fact that all posts should be positive.
I don't need either your permission or approval to post on this forum.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Nothing has failed just that your posts make no kind of sense.'"
Yea, trying to 'big' the sport up in the build up to a new season is just stupid. In your world at least.
Quote You don't like reading my (and Starbug's) posts and yet you do.'"
As I stated earlier, you and starbug are two of the best posters on here imo, its just that your postings re: the RFL and expansion have a higher comedic value than anything else..
Quote You seem upset that I actually disagreed with dally and accuse me of throwing some kind of tantrum but I haven't complained about dally's posts'"
Not true. Though your post about new ideas was a classic of its kind. Oh and not knowing how and why tv monies are allocated.
Quote You don't really seem to be making any coherent point beyond the fact that all posts should be positive.'"
Another lame attempted Ad Hom? yawn.
Quote I don't need either your permission or approval to post on this forum.'"
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| Quote ="joedynamo"Yea, trying to 'big' the sport up in the build up to a new season is just stupid. In your world at least.
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If posting things that you know to be untrue is your thing then go for it. I prefer to post what I really think.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"It is what I said. The RFL has spent millions on Crusaders, one junior rugby league team isn't "proof it was money worth spending". Only a few good seasons from Crusaders will prove that.'"
the rfl hasnt spent millions of its own money on the crusaders
stop trolling
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"If posting things that you know to be untrue '"
Like your claim that the RFL has spent millions on Crusaders?
Anyway, this train crash has long since derailed any chance of actual rugby league discussion, in favour of personal spats.
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