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| If I could expand the game anywhere? Well that's easy. I'd expand it into every school, collage and university in the UK.
That should help improve the game's exposure and provide an increase to the home-grown player pool
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| Quote ="chico's nose"So Townsville, Melbourne and =#FF0000Auckland are all =#FF0000RL heartlands? I don't think so.It pretty easy to see what your feelings are about the state of aussie rl and how it has expanded over the years, it's even easier to see how or when your attitude would change.
JB's feelings on rl expansion in Oz is as follows:
No team from Perth = poop
A team based in Perth = excellent'"
I'd disagree on that one , in NZ , Auckland has always been the primary RL area , still not as strong as union , but a heartland without doubt
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| Somewhere in the Midlands, say Birmingham or Coventry.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"So [uTownsville[/u, Melbourne and Auckland are all RL heartlands? I don't think so.
It pretty easy to see what your feelings are about the state of aussie rl and how it has expanded over the years, it's even easier to see how or when your attitude would change.
JB's feelings on rl expansion in Oz is as follows:
No team from Perth = poop
A team based in Perth = excellent'"
I'd also query whether Townsville was ever devoid of rugby league. Surely North Queensland is as strong a rugby league area as can be.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"I'd also query whether Townsville was ever devoid of rugby league. Surely North Queensland is as strong a rugby league area as can be.'"
It wasn't devoid of RL, but it was hardly an RL heartland before the cowboys were born.
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| We have far too many teams in the small northern towns, we need to make super league more european to bring in the big money and compete with onion on the international stage. The expansion id go for would be something like this: (with the weakest northern club dropping down to the championship every 3 years to make way for them)
2012 Toulouse
2015 South Wales
2018 Edinburgh
2021 Dublin
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| Quote ="Roverswall"It become more clear with every passing day that your screen name is ironical.'"
Why?
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| Quote ="chico's nose"It wasn't devoid of RL, but it was hardly an RL heartland before the cowboys were born.'"
Off the top of my head - gene miles, dale shearer, kerry boustead, greg dowling, martin bella - all stars of the game from North Queensland who played before the cowboys. Probably hundreds more. There's been RL in townsville since 1914, north queensland played the lions on pretty much every tour in the old days, beating GB once or twice. It's more of an RL heartland than _anywhere_ in England, that's for sure.
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| Quote ="Toulouse for super L"We have far too many teams in the small northern towns, we need to make super league more european to bring in the big money and compete with onion on the international stage. The expansion id go for would be something like this: (with the weakest northern club dropping down to the championship every 3 years to make way for them)
2012 Toulouse
2015 South Wales
2018 Edinburgh
2021 Dublin'"
Or... we could take advantage of the open pathways offered to our sport since the fantastic events of 1995 and build from the bottom up. As another poster has said with a RL team based in every town, city, school, college and Universtity in the UK
If, as we all believe, we have the greatest game of all then we will see it grow now that the atificial restrictions have been removed
Professional teams should be built on demand for the sport not by parachuting teams into areas with no desire for the game
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| Quote ="Toulouse for super L"I dont recall any of those teams from 1996?
Also 1 team at a time, with additional funds coming from the RFL every 3 years is the way to make expansion successful'"
No, the idea of just throwing teams from places from non RL backgrounds and expecting it to work is taken from 1996.
A successful Super League team (10k crowds, financially sustainable) in somewhere like Edinburgh would probably take 50 years work. You can't just put something somewhere and expect it to work - that was the 1996 attitude and it's proven time after time not to work.
Only idiots would think that it could work when faced with all the evidence to the contrary.
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| I think Toulouse is the exception, as it has the base and the interest to support a SL club there.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"So Townsville, Melbourne and Auckland are all RL heartlands? I don't think so.
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YES Queensland and Auckland are both RL heartlands, strong RL playing and supporting areas for a hundred years! The ONLY EXPANSION team in the NRL that is not a heartland team is MELBOURNE.
Hope that is a bit clearer for you, if not let me know and I'll get my crayons out and draw you a picture, you being a Hull fan and all that!
ps Wellington, Adelaide and Port Moresby along with Perth will all be excellent!
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"I think Toulouse is the exception, as it has the base and the interest to support a SL club there.'"
It's certainly a better bet than Edinburgh or Dublin, but they're hardly bursting at the seems crowd figures-wise at the moment are they? It'd be nice for them to prove they can get more people through the gates over the next three years before throwing them into SL imo
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| Quote ="chico's nose"It wasn't devoid of RL, but it was hardly an RL heartland before the cowboys were born.'"
Yes, it was, it just didn't have a pro team.
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| Quote ="Toulouse for super L"We have far too many teams in the small northern towns, we need to make super league more european to bring in the big money and compete with onion on the international stage. The expansion id go for would be something like this: (with the weakest northern club dropping down to the championship every 3 years to make way for them)
2012 Toulouse
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2018 Edinburgh
2021 Dublin'"
So you'd relegate actual real teams to make way for fictional ones?
I think you are confusing fantasy rugby league with reality.
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| Actually, Toulouse and South Wales have teams
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| Quote ="Toulouse for super L"We have far too many teams in the small northern towns, we need to make super league more european to bring in the big money and compete with onion on the international stage. The expansion id go for would be something like this: (with the weakest northern club dropping down to the championship every 3 years to make way for them)
2012 Toulouse
2015 South Wales
2018 Edinburgh
2021 Dublin'"
Your dillusional
Why does expansion have to be at the cost of a club in the heartlands of RL, these clubs are still on the go after a hundred years and will more than likley be here in another 100 when the experiments with your suggestions will be a distant faded memory.
I have no objection to new teams from other areas coming into RL, but it should NEVER be at the expense of an established club, after all the criteria you set (the weakest, which might still be perfectly viable as a club) will mean eventually we will be looking at getting rid of strong, viable heartland clubs just for the sake of making room for a newer club.
Let these new clubs start off in the bottom division and build up, if this is not acceptable to them then do we really want them in the first place.
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| We should create a Super League of a Balanced Number of Lancashire, Yorkshire and Expansion Clubs, then expand the league.
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| Quote ="JonM"d040.gif
Off the top of my head - gene miles, dale shearer, kerry boustead, greg dowling, martin bella - all stars of the game from North Queensland who played before the cowboys. Probably hundreds more. There's been RL in townsville since 1914, north queensland played the lions on pretty much every tour in the old days, beating GB once or twice. It's more of an RL heartland than _anywhere_ in England, that's for sure.'"
You make a good point until your last sentence which deserves far morethan anything I put.
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"I think Toulouse is the exception, as it has the base and the interest to support a SL club there.'"
quite right - the potential catchment area at Toulouse is pretty widespread - regarding the other options,Dublin etc - don't just plonk teams into a system just for the sake of saying 'we are trying to expand the game' etc etc go only to the places which have a realistic chance of making a fair fist of it IMO
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| Quote ="chico's nose"It wasn't devoid of RL, but it was hardly an RL heartland before the cowboys were born.'"
One of the silliest things I've ever read. FTR I grew up and lived there before the Cowboys came along...
Regional Queensland, Townsville/North Queensland and Toowoomba/the Darling Downs especially, have always been incredibly strong heartlands of the game.
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| NRL style expansion? As in, sit around and wait for cities to organise bid teams, tell them they're not wanted and if the bid team doesn't get disheartened and improves the bid you add them?
I think you might mean ARL style expansion. They're the ones who realised the need for more teams in QLD and how important expansion to new markets (Auckland & Perth) was. The NRL is far more conservative.
Also, didn't Richard Lewis/the RFL have a plan a few years ago to have a SL club in 11 regions of the UK or something? Is that still the long term plan for the game over there?
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