How many clubs have won it without breaking the cap

spot on there.

when all clubs spend the full cap well see the full benefit

still the cap has helped keep clubs from overspending on players and the comp. is much more even than when wigan won all

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Bradford Saints and Wigan won the titles in the 10 years before the GF started (co-incidently the same year the salary cap started)

Leeds Saints and Bradford in the ten years since

except for the clubs who have gone bust.

There is also no correllation between the amount a club can afford to spend and how much it can spend under the SC

so setting a limit on how much a club can spend doesnt stop them from overspending.

interesting

sure some clubs cant afford to spend the full SC

but as the comp. grows they all will be able to

correct.

setting a limit on how much a club can spend doesnt stop them from overspending if the limit is above the amount they can afford

well done

So it needs to be reduced , as in the short term it is highly unlikely that clubs are going to increase revenue to make up the shortfall

or it needs to be changed so its not the only thing working for us

I'll let you elaborate on that one

As ive said before, re-structure the cap so that it encourages clubs to do what we need them to do and discourage them from doing what we dont want them to do,

That would be, structure the cap to enhance further the dominance of Leeds/Saints I take it.

will still not help them have money to spend , in fact they will have less

I see where he's coming from, I don't necessarily agree on all of his policies.
IIRC he'd make it so that English players realistically could only ever play at the club they were brought through. If overseas players full stop (without 3 years under 21) counted an extra 25% on the cap you'd solve most of the problems imo

wigan won the first GF in 1998, as much as that info annoys me to point out!

Surely that depends what you think we need them to do?
If you think we need them to compete on equal terms with the rest of the league, then it's fine.

It would be a cap to enhance the domination of clubs based around players they have developed at the expense of those who wont do this

this is true, however if it means we lose some of the average overseas players with the funds spent on those encouraged to be spent on youth development instead, which whilst not guaranteed to bring through better youngsters (nothing is) it will guarantee to bring through more, where it becomes in the clubs best interests to spend more training and scouting young players which should follow they will be better

So you want clubs to offer more money to juniors to get them to sign for their clubs rather than signing for the ' bigger ' clubs

But the clubs you want to offer this money are the clubs who already are the clubs without the money at the moment , therefore leaving them with less money to spend on their 1 st teams

And then the bigger clubs just take these players off the original clubs anyway when they are developed

More money does not neccessarily make players better

All it would do is inflate the market for the juniors we already have

The simple answer is that any player that has not come through a british based clubs academy is counted double on the salary cap , but legaly this could be a problem

my apologies (i did only look at the ten years preceeding 98 and 10 years after 98, though it seems not 9icon_cool.gif

though one more winner, and that being wigan is hardly evidence of it being much more competitive

no, i would be happy with a maximum junior wage up to the season after they turn 18, at this point they can sign a pro contract with the club that has 'developed' them not counting on the cap, or with another club where it counts on the cap

i expect more from clubs designated elite

But until you have all clubs at the maximum SC without bancrupting themselves in the process you will still have the big clubs monopolising the best talent

Whatever way you want to bake it , the bottom line is we need all clubs to be self sustaining and able to spend the full salary cap , until that happens you will not have a totally competitive competition

Then expect to be dissapointed as well

so you bring down the cap. Then you have the bigger clubs being able to offer less or get fewer players from other clubs,