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| Quote ="St pete"I don't care mate.
I was avin a debate with damo not you.
I hate wigan and won't have anything to do with them.
They was the only fulltime team thru the 80's and early 90's and won everything coz of it.
They also bought every good player any team had.
Then the game went fulltime with the introduction of super league and wigan has only been champs once since.
Wigan also had a greater salary cap than all other teams when they won super league.
It's no myth that wigan was fulltime! It's fact!'"
Sounds like a good idea to me. Pity we didn't continue because Saints decided to copy the blueprint for success...
Long, Joynt, Sullivan. Wilkin, Aussies etc
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"When has that ever stopped them
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Good point, well made.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The Catalans try that was chalked off for a forward pass. The interpretation of 'backwards' seemed a bit variable for a number of knock-ons (Cats)/ dropped balls (Saints). Saints played some sublime Rugby and deserved to win by 15-25. The ref was therefore worth between 9 an 19 points, [iIMO[/i. It didn't alter the result, but it did damage the spectacle.
This happens in all sports for all successful teams, always has, always will. A big team's line is up so quickly because they are aggressive in defence, a little team must be offside. We all want to avoid Saints in the cup both because we know they are a good team, but also because we suspect that those 50/50, benefit of the doubt decisions are likely to go their way. It is a bitter pill, but in RL at least it still gets passed around over the years and decades, which is some consolation.'"
Hull KR got EVERY decision at Knowsley Road this season. So there goes your theory that 'little' teams dont get the decisions.
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| Quote ="Ashmeister"Hull KR got EVERY decision at Knowsley Road this season. So there goes your theory that 'little' teams dont get the decisions.'"
You mean you didn't get let off with things like blatant offside and markers not square and it cost you
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| Quote ="Ashmeister"Hull KR got EVERY decision at Knowsley Road this season. So there goes your theory that 'little' teams dont get the decisions.'"
So little that we're second in SL and in the QFs of the CC, oh and did I mention beating Saints at KR
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| Quote ="moxi1"So little that we're second in SL and in the QFs of the CC, oh and did I mention beating Saints at KR
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Yes, you are a small club.
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| Probably the worse conspiracy of them all is a saints team with Ganson on the field losing to Wigan at Murrayfield. This will give him the all clear to ref the Leeds and St Helens final at Old Trafford. If this is the case then I shall never ever watch super league again whilst this corruption is in force.
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| Quote ="Eurob0y"Yes, you are a small club.'"
Yes, coming from the person that has no purpose, oh and arnt you Saints fan aswell
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| This thread makes me feel almost as depressed as the next revelation about MPs' expenses fiddles.
Can someone kill it please ?
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"One day these guys will be found out.
I really hope so.
Their tactics at the ptb are a disgrace to the game.
But until the powers that be actually do something then of course they will carry on but it really does spoil the game.'"
It is why GB will always struggle against the Aussies. The play the ball is so slow.
Saints though are quite possibly the most disgaraceful team to grace the field in todays game, and have been for the past 15 years.
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| Quote ="Boris"Saints though are quite possibly the most disgaraceful team to grace the field in todays game, and have been for the past 15 years.'"
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| Quote ="Ashmeister"Hull KR got EVERY decision at Knowsley Road this season. So there goes your theory that 'little' teams dont get the decisions.'"
What is lovely when this happens, is the indignation of (some) Saints RLfans. 'But... but... WE'RE [iSAINTS[/i!' My favourite was the last gasp try at NCP last year, ruled out because a player had been tackled. It was correct, but the sort of thing that 'big' teams so often get away with. Even watching the DVD back I half expected it to be given.
Success can spoil fans and, as has been pointed out, Saints have had a lot of success in recent years.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"What is lovely when this happens, is the indignation of (some) Saints RLfans. 'But... but... WE'RE [iSAINTS[/i!' My favourite was the last gasp try at NCP last year, ruled out because a player had been tackled. It was correct, but the sort of thing that 'big' teams so often get away with. Even watching the DVD back I half expected it to be given.
Success can spoil fans and, as has been pointed out, Saints have had a lot of success in recent years.
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We are the mighty Saints and we have a God given right to win everything
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"We are the mighty Saints and we have a God given right to win everything
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Nooooo.
That's Wigan. The bestest and mostest famous club in the World.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Probably the worse conspiracy of them all is a saints team with Ganson on the field losing to Wigan at Murrayfield. This will give him the all clear to ref the Leeds and St Helens final at Old Trafford. If this is the case then I shall never ever watch super league again whilst this corruption is in force.'"
Indeed.
And what about the Aussies losing the first test circa 2001 when Bob Connolly reffed?
It was a deliberate ploy to ensure that their gripe against the referee carried more weight and that they could ensure that the future decisons went in their favour.
Thaler gave Saints the game. Things like this [inever[/i used to happen when John Holdsworth was around.
I propose that we look at referee's expenses.
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| Quote ="Buffalo"FACT
Read his post again. He says Saints OR Leeds. Not both combined.
Christ, since I first watching Wigan in 1989 we've won 29 trophies - and I don't know Rogues but I do know he has many more years than me watching Wigan, so he could easily have seen us win more than Saints OR Leeds ever have.'"
Correct.
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| At this thread.
Lock it. Embarrasment to yourselves some of you etc Anti-Saints fans, unbelievable scenes.
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| How sad another "Waaaaaa waaaaa dem cheaton Serrnts" thread.
Grow up children.
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At this thread.
Lock it. Embarrasment to yourselves some of you etc Anti-Saints fans, unbelievable scenes.'"
You've got the refs, now you want the moderators. Greedy
Seriously though, does anybody doubt that big teams (not just Saints, for whom bigness and the attendent bias is, in the long view, fairly new and almost certainly temporary) get more decisions than would be expected if refs were impartial automatons?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"You've got the refs, now you want the moderators. Greedy
Seriously though, does anybody doubt that big teams (not just Saints, for whom bigness and the attendent bias is, in the long view, fairly new and almost certainly temporary) get more decisions than would be expected if refs were impartial automatons?'"
I thought rovers were the biggest team in the world?
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| Quote ="Noel Cleal"How sad another "Waaaaaa waaaaa dem cheaton Serrnts" thread.
Grow up children.'"
What was your statement on McIlorum?
I see st. pete must have got detention at primary school.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I thought rovers were the biggest team in the world?
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One of the biggest names (18 letters ). I don't even especially begrudge Saints the odd decision, unless it is against us . They chuck the ball about and have earned their many recent trophies on a pretty level playing field. When and if we have a few years in the sun, we'll get a few more 50/50s, as we no doubt did in the mid-80s.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"That's why we won at Murrayfield?
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Now you see .... simples!
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