You know what, for all your bitching and trying to misrepresent what i have said, your death riding and criticisms of other clubs as if it defends Wakefield and all that nonsense.

If this is true. If Wakefield have a business plan which will see them grow and see them spending the full SC sustainably, If they have everything in place to move into the new stadium, If Wakefield show their academy is working and they can actually bother to bring them through into first team rather than going back to signing dross like Charlie Leeano, If Wakefield can do all the things needed to become a real force and an integral part of SL challenging for honours and being up there with the big clubs, then the franchise process gives them an opportunity to show it, and if they do, they will be in SL regardless of what Cas, Crusaders or anybody else is doing. If they cant show these things, then they will be relegated and have no one to blame but themselves.

I'd love to see some examples including context of where I've done those things!

The threads are still here, they dont disappear. Go back and look at them if you want.

They're not there because they don't exist!

Smokey, I've tried to have rational, intelligent debate with you in spite of being advised to not to bother but I'm seriously beginning to think that you're delusional!

I think the ' death riding ' of Wakefield displayed on this thread is disgusting , the people posting it should be ashamed of themselves

the business plan is there and now at last they have the financial backing to stop other clubs poaching their players.

had the current setup been in place a few years ago we would probably have kept the likes of; westwood, ellis, mason, griffin, brough, atkins, grix etc.

the imports only come in to replace the likes of these. young british talent was simply a luxury we could not afford.

hopefully that has changed.

I did try to warn you but would you listen

The argument switches to suit doesn't it, on the one hand we get told Quins (including previous identities) are an ESTABLISHED RL team with 30 years of top flight rugby behind them, in fact the Quins team even produced a replicas Fulham shirt with 30 on it. Then, when the argument suits they are an expansion team who must be protected at the cost of non-expansion teams. While I think that the expansion argument is ok with Crusaders for the next round of franchises, Quins must be treated the same as the rst of SL when it comes to a franchise and not protected as they clearly are.

regardless of franchising points/decisions etc.

the problem with expansion teams seems to be that no one cares enough to part with their money to watch or sponsor.

yes it is fantastic that more RL is being played in london and wales, but this in no way helps to pay the bills of quins or crusaders.

quins have a sugar daddy so should be fine, however crusaders have no way of operating a SL team on the money coming in from 2k gates and very little sponsorship.

the term ing in the wind comes to mind. i would advise you just dont bother.

I'm inclined to accept your advice, no disrespect Big Al, sometimes we have to learn through experience.

Oh no. Once again he'll thinks he's won!

All joking aside you would be amazed if you knew who he was. Disappointed in how his views of the game have changed.

And more importantly very concerned about the future of our sport, particularly if you become a championship club. Quickly people forget their roots

I'd be more amazed if HE knew who he was.

I think he is a few pieces of chicken short of a bargain bucket.

by definition the same thing, genius.

I wouldn't, i don't care who he was or thinks he is.

You do if you don't listen

Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Hey! Wakey fans! You'll need this tinyurl.com/5vfur6o '" and just how many seasons did shuddersfield finish bottom of super league again? 2,3,4? and how many times have wakey finished bottom? Never! we are actually one of the only teams who have rightfully earned their place in super league by winning the div 1 grand final and the league in 1998... (along with the giants in 2002)d040.gif

Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Hey! Wakey fans! You'll need this tinyurl.com/5vfur6o '" and just how many seasons did shuddersfield finish bottom of super league again? 2,3,4? and how many times have wakey finished bottom? Never! we are actually one of the only teams who have rightfully earned their place in super league by winning the div 1 grand final and the league in 1998... (along with the giants in 2002)d040.gif

I'm constantly amazed that only Wake are seen as likely to lose their SL place. A team just down the road from them are no better in terms of youth, community, (new) ground but have considerably less potential to grow their fanbase.

Well, it's franchising now, you've failed to improve your stadium, your crowds, your team and your finances. Huddersfield, despite finishing bottom, were relegated, came back, and are doing well, and HAHAH, I forgot how f*cking funny that Shuddersfield thing was. You know who's the joke now? You.


See you in the Championship.

Ooh you b1tch.

Why, are you getting kicked out too???

No, Sheffield are there.

They may go to the championship and they may or may not return but they will always be a whole club and not dirty and soiled like Shudderfield, so no matter what they can always be proud.

Sadly you support a hybrid club.

Crowds don't matter the RFL have said so, but yes you do make a good point.

It still is sunshine

oh and I bet mummy wont be too pleased to know that her 16 year old uses language like that, unless of course you learned it from her