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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"So you are suggesting that we kick teams out of Super League who are there on merit and replace them with ones who have the potential to be there on merit in the future?'"
The merits of being in SL have changed. Get over it. Teams that aren't living up to their license promises aren't there on merit any more.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"That is the BIG thing.
After this set of franchises. Any Club at any time can bid for a place, if they are accepted they have three years to prepare in the lower leagues, then you are in.
Clubs in there are constantly assessed and if they are continually failling they are dropped.'"
Quote ="a.n Other"When was this announced? I cant remember seeing the press release?'"
Any link for this yet Smokey? Tried searching and cant find anything about the above.
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| Quote ="a.n Other"Any link for this yet Smokey? Tried searching and cant find anything about the above.'"
Sorry, there was a missing word in there, SHOULD
That was how i would wish it to work, how it should, it was never meant to be a representation of what the RFL are doing, just what i want them to do.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Sorry, there was a missing word in there, SHOULD
That was how i would wish it to work, not how it should, it was never meant to be a representation of what the RFL are doing, just what i want them to do.'"
Poor attempt at a side step there
These clubs that should be able to apply , you suggest they are told they are in SL and then spend 3 years in the Championship ' preparing ' , thats a good way of making the second tier even more worthless , having teams ' treading water '
You really are stupid
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| Quote ="Starbug"Poor attempt at a side step there '" How is it a side step?
Quote These clubs that should be able to apply , you suggest they are told they are in SL and then spend 3 years in the Championship ' preparing ' , thats a good way of making the second tier even more worthless , having teams ' treading water ' '"
if getting to SL is the only reason to compete in the championships, then all clubs are simply treading water.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"How is it a side step?
if getting to SL is the only reason to compete in the championships, then all clubs are simply treading water.'"
No the idea was that you win the Championship to get into SL , How do you suggest they ' prepare ' ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"No the idea was that you win the Championship to get into SL ,'" and that is different from competing in the championships to get into SL because???????
Quote How do you suggest they ' prepare ' ?'"
By building a squad of young talented players, and giving them experience, bedding in an SL quality coaching, sales and commercial staff, spending two or three years chasing sponsors, selling tickets, selling corporates, selling the clubs, building interest, building visibility, building player pathways and an academy,
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"and that is different from competing in the championships to get into SL because???????
By building a squad of young talented players, and giving them experience, bedding in an SL quality coaching, sales and commercial staff, spending two or three years chasing sponsors, selling tickets, selling corporates, selling the clubs, building interest, building visibility, building player pathways and an academy,'"
So you mean being a Championship club basically , how will that prepare them for SL ? , you have stated many , many times the gap between part time and full time is huge , so basically they will need to change 90 % of their playing staff when they move up , unlikely they will retain any decent young players or a SL quality coaching staff either
If they are not competitive they will not build a fan base either
Or are you suggesting they go full time in the Championship ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you mean being a Championship club basically , how will that prepare them for SL ? , you have stated many , many times the gap between part time and full time is huge , so basically they will need to change 90 % of their playing staff when they move up , unlikely they will retain any decent young players or a SL quality coaching staff either
If they are not competitive they will not build a fan base either
Or are you suggesting they go full time in the Championship ?'"
no im not, Im suggesting they be an SL club in the championships, they can go full-time if they wish, but they should be looking at filling their squad with young players, that would be the point, so they didnt need to change 90% of their playing staff when they move up, they need to pick up SL quality young players and coaching staff, people who will be happy to be involved with a club they KNOW will be in SL in 2/3 years.
They may not attract masses of fans, but it will help get the message out they exist, it will help to build visibility, they can use it as time to sell themselves in all aspects and to put in place the infrastructure to deal with that.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no im not, Im suggesting they be an SL club in the championships, =#FF0000they can go full-time if they wish, but they should be looking at filling their squad with young players, that would be the point, so they didnt need to change 90% of their playing staff when they move up, they need to pick up SL quality young players and coaching staff, people who will be happy to be involved with a club they KNOW will be in SL in 2/3 years.
They may not attract masses of fans, but it will help get the message out they exist, it will help to build visibility, they can use it as time to sell themselves in all aspects and to put in place the infrastructure to deal with that.'"
So basically be given an excemption on the Salary cap , marvelous , we finally get a competitive league and you want to f*** it up
It doesn't work , you know it doesn't work , you have stated many times you cannot grow/build a club outside SL to prepare for SL , you have stated that is why the likes of the Crusaders have to be IN SL , you are contradicting yourself again
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| Quote ="Starbug"So basically be given an excemption on the Salary cap , marvelous , we finally get a competitive league and you want to f*** it up
It doesn't work , you know it doesn't work , you have stated many times you cannot grow/build a club outside SL to prepare for SL , you have staed that is why the likes of the Crusaders have to be IN SL , you are contradicting yourself again'"
I've have argued you can't grow an SL club in the championships, and i dont believe you can.
But i certainly think you can put the infrastructure in place and prepare very well for SL, and benefit from that preparation time whilst in the Championships.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I've have argued you can't grow an SL club in the championships, and i dont believe you can.
But i certainly think you can put =#FF0000the infrastructure in place and prepare very well for SL, and benefit from that preparation time whilst in the Championships.'"
What like ' Facilities ' and stuff ?
And then change your coach and 90 % of your playing staff
More utter bollox
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| Quote ="Starbug"What like ' Facilities ' and stuff ?'" yes
Quote And then change your coach and 90 % of your playing staff
More utter bollox
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well no, that would be the point.
for a change you have completely misunderstood a very simple point.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no im not, Im suggesting they be an SL club in the championships, they can go full-time if they wish, but they should be looking at filling their squad with young players, that would be the point, so they didnt need to change 90% of their playing staff when they move up, they need to pick up SL quality young players and coaching staff, people who will be happy to be involved with a club they KNOW will be in SL in 2/3 years.
They may not attract masses of fans, but it will help get the message out they exist, it will help to build visibility, they can use it as time to sell themselves in all aspects and to put in place the infrastructure to deal with that.'"
but you've told us these players arn't there.thats why the game needs to move out of the heartlands.
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| Quote ="j.c"but you've told us these players arn't there.thats why the game needs to move out of the heartlands.'"
Who mentioned this hypothetical club being in the heartlands?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes
well no, that would be the point.
for a change you have completely misunderstood a very simple point.'"
Maybe they fill their squad with these players and end up getting relegated , that will prepare them for SL , or maybe they should be excempt from that as well , then a club finishing higher can be relegated instead
I haven't misunderstood anything , you are talking bollox and contradicting yourself again , as you do all the time
These ' facilities ' , like what exactly ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Who mentioned this hypothetical club being in the heartlands?'"
so your only talking about expansion clubs ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Who mentioned this hypothetical club being in the heartlands?'"
So this hypothetical club outside the heartlands fills its squad with young SL quality players from where and paid for by who ?
This SL quality coaching staff , they move to this hypothetical club outside the heartlands , stay there for 3 years and paid for by who ?
Who pays ?
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| Yey. Another "see who is the most wrong" b*tch-fest between Smokey and Starbug...
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Yey. Another "see who is the most wrong" b*tch-fest between Smokey and Starbug...'"
Pepe's talking a rest , and your not worth the effort , you're too easy , as was proved a couple of days ago by littlerich
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Yey. Another "see who is the most wrong" b*tch-fest between Smokey and Starbug...'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Maybe they fill their squad with these players and end up getting relegated , that will prepare them for SL , or maybe they should be excempt from that as well , then a club finishing higher can be relegated instead '" maybe they will, it isnt likely though.
Quote I haven't misunderstood anything , you are talking bollox and contradicting yourself again , as you do all the time '" so why did you repeat three times something i had already told you was wrong?
Quote These ' facilities ' , like what exactly ?'" i have aready listed them for you
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| Quote ="j.c"so your only talking about expansion clubs ?'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"So this hypothetical club outside the heartlands fills its squad with young SL quality players from where and paid for by who ?
This SL quality coaching staff , they move to this hypothetical club outside the heartlands , stay there for 3 years and paid for by who ?
Who pays ?'"
the club pays.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"maybe they will, it isnt likely though.
so why did you repeat three times something i had already told you was wrong?
i have aready listed them for you'"
Why isn't it likely ?
Repeat what ?
No you havent , what ' facilities ' exactly ?
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