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we need stronger teams of british players.

Our players arent testing themselves against strong competitive teams because they arent bloody playing. Last season our young international rookie of the year could barely get a game because of dross like Cameron Phelps and Tim Smith, This was at 20 years old, he wasnt a baby.

the strength our league and our national team comes from us bringing through more, better youngsters. It will come from spending money, effort, and most of all time, investing in young players so that they can learn, and grow achieve their potential.

What it certainly wont come from is from playing against, and having their place taken by, players who were never good enough like Shad Royston,

There isn't the pool of players of the required skill level to have teams of british players. maybe last season, our young international rookie of the year wasn't up to taking his spot in the team rather than it being the fault of the players you mention. if that's the case then it seemed that being held down forced him to push back harder and forged him into a better player.

if young players are good enough they will break into the team. this stupidity that says a player should be given a starting spot in a team just because he's british with a modicum of talent is more damaging to the international team and the sport than any number of imports.

because we dont produce them

or maybe he was but the coach didnt want to invest the time and effort, and take the risk with a young player because it was easier to rely on an average overseas player. or maybe he just missed out on a year of development and is year further behind where he would be otherwise.

No, they wont, it is idiotic to say they will. A young player, with the potential to be the next Greg Inglis will still make mistakes and is still learning. You need first team games to find out and iron out the problems in your game, you need first team games to gain the experience to fulfil your potential. Expecting a 17/18/19/20 year old with 0 first team games to possess the necessary experience and consistency to be even possibly better than a 26 year old former NRL player is idiotic nonsense.

Giving young players first team games will see them improve, it will see them get better than never has beens like Royston, it will see our player-pool improve, it will see the quality of our league improve and as such the quality of our national team improve.

not only that but forcing clubs to rely on their youth rather than NRL rejects and never was NRL players will mean clubs will need to go out and scout better youngsters, coach them better and give them first team games improving them again, giving us a cycle of improvement.

Superb, isn't it?

seems ironic to me that a player of Sam Tomkins' class & ability only broke into the first team because of injuuries to more senior players ! what a stroke of luck for Wigan & rl fans in general !
maybe the lesson will be leaned that there ARE young lads with massive potential on our doorsteps,it's up to the clubs to take the plunge and blood them instead of sticking with the so called tried & tested old timers
If you're good enough it doesn't matter what age the young lad is ! IMO there are a host of Sam Tomkins clones out there...

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That's down to the RFL and grassroots training rather than anyone club, though I will concede the point that clubs do need to do their part to improve this



I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say that you are not privy to every single training session that Wigan had last year. Therefore you're hardly in a position to make that sweeping generalisation. A club coach has one simple remit: win games. Therefore why pick an unproven kid when he has experienced players to chose from?



Now that was not my point at all. My point was that a player who's got the raw skill and talent will be able to break into a side regardless of age. I never said that they wouldn't be stumbles along the way. The best players are always looking to improve.



But if the players are of a lower quality than so called "never has beens" then where will the improvements come from? Better players make for a better league. The reduction of overseas players will reduce the skill and quality of the player pool in this country and will mean teams are forced to play less skilful players just because they're british. You then get players like Sherrife playing in SL even though it's clear he isn't SL standard. But he's british.



These "BETTER" youngsters that aren't being scouted, where are they? I'm sure there's a lot of clubs that would love to know. The fact is, without massive investment at grassroots/school levels there's not going to be any sort of increase in the numbers of young lads playing the game. The game in aus is far ahead of us in terms of player development and coaching, so we need to look at that and try and implement similar structures to improve our young players. But again, we DO NOT HAVE the numbers playing the game.

St Helens RLFC
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I have my want list

Gidley
Monaghan
Phelps

So a total admission that the Giants development scheme and academy are a waste of time?

Sounds like it doesnt it. Micheal Lawrence, the sole product of the giants academy and please gaints fans, dont list a load of players who were promoted to your first team this year. Every club has those, doesnt mean they are any good.

I'll nibble on this

Leroy Cudjoe
Eorl Crabtree
Andy Raleigh

greg ingliss contract withdrawn from brisbane

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Did you mean 1st team squad?

I assume you are pretending to be this ignorant about player development at the Giants. Surely you cannot be that misinformed.

Its everyones 'fault'

and neither are you, so i think we can surely agree to simply take the most obvious and common sense answer as the one we use.boom. There it is. Why would a coach pick an unproven kid when he has experienced players to choose from? Why would the next Billy Slater get given his debut if the club has experienced players like Shad Royston to pick from?

except they wont, because as you have just said

i think we may as well give up and stop playing the game in this country if we dont have a young fullback at every club in SL who has the potential to be better than Shad Royston.

no, the reduction of overseas players in increase the skill, number and quality of the player pool in this country. It may reduce the NZ, Australian, Samoan, Fijian, Tongan player pool, but ours will get better. While you may think Sherrife isnt SL standard, what we do know is that he is a better player than had he not played SL

they are in amateur sides never picked up because[i A club coach has one simple remit: win games. Therefore why take the risk an unproven kid who may or may not make it when he has experienced players to chose from?[/i They are in academy sides never getting a game because [i A club coach has one simple remit: win games. Therefore why pick an unproven kid when he has experienced players to chose from?[/i and they are in our lower leagues having never made the grade and fulfilled their potential because of a lack of coaching and first grade games after all [iA club coach has one simple remit: win games. Therefore why invest in an unproven kid when he has experienced players to chose from?[/i



regardless of the numbers playing, the game in Aus is so far ahead of us in terms of player development and coaching because we have so many overseas players, because we dont invest in the youngsters coaching and development, because we dont give them first team games thats why they are better than us at it. If we were to do these things then we would improve our youngsters, and our league, by replacing never has beens like Royston with better youngsters we have created, but whilstever we keep on with players like Royston, Ben Fisher, Brett Delaney we wont do those things. Why? because [iA club coach has one simple remit: win games. Therefore why pick an unproven kid when he has experienced players to chose from?[/i

All of which is addressed by the RFL introducing an increasing requirement for home grown players in each clubs SL squad, which over time, along with the gradual decrease in quota players and natural wastage of players exempt on grounds of length of service will result in more English players playing regularly in SL games, so what exactly is your beef?

My beef is that the players that the English players that come out of this will be playing in a lesser quality league and will therefore be of a lesser quality themselves, putting us further behind the aussies, but it will then remove the false argument that import players are a detriment to RL in this country.

Sam Tomkins played 27 games last season for Wigan - bet a lot of players being blocked wish they "could barely get a game" using that example.

Alex Brown

Sometimes you have to take a step backwards to go forwards.