It really, really wasnt. Im not sure it was a metre but it was blatantly thrown forward. It wasnt close to boderline, it wasnt a long looping pass which was affected by momentum, the wind or anything else. It was just a clear forward pass and a poor decision It wasnt, it was a very simple decision.No. It was a clear and forward pass. Its nothing to do with the camara angles, it was clear from the passing motion It wasnt even close. If the pass from Mcguire to Hall had taken the same trajectory as the pass to Lima it would have ended up outside the field because of the length of it.

It wasnt. It was a wrong decision. It was a wrong decision i could accept had he needed to make it. I appreciate how difficult it would be for him to make that decision once, at full speed, with only one viewing. But the mistake was, he didnt need to make that decision he could have forwarded on to the VR

Yes, it is poor refereeing. Im not sour, Wigan were worthy winners.

As for Abletts PTB, it should have been a penalty to Leeds for intereference. I can understand why the referee played the advantage.

Look at the angle of Mossop's (was it Mossop?

) hands when he passes to Lima. Absolutely no question that the pass was forward.

From every camera angle it was as clear a forward pass as any I have ever seen, how the on-field officials, especially the TJ on the far side (Child?) is beyond me and I hope is also beyond Stuart Cummings.

Are you serious?

HAHA!

You do realise, don't you, that forward passes cannot be adjudged using video technology, yet basing your own opinion on video footage you are 100% convinced it was forward and had nothing to do with momentum, despite both players running forward? And the crucial fact is that Lima would have scored anyway, or did the ref t make those players fall off him like giant sacks of turds?

With Burrows, he knocked it on to Charnley and the best response you can come up with is repeating your assertion that it was the wrong decision, rather than explaining why you are convinced Charnley played at it or Burrows didn't. In most cases you'll find that if you knock the ball on to a player before it goes into touch you will concede the scrum.

And Ablett, well, that response has to be a joke doesn't it? I didn't hear the referee call advantage, and I've never seen Rugby Union style "roll the ball backwards and play on" allowed before on the basis of interference, the ref would simply give a penalty. Oh wait, there was no interference you made it up. We were robbed, wah wah! You need to introduce a bit of dignity into your handling of defeat mate and stop blaiming the officials who gave you as much as they gave us.

Well done to all the Saints and Warrington fans for continuing their bitterness.

It doesn't go unnoticed, don't worry.

I do realise that. I also realise and understand the reasons for it. Something you clearly do not otherwise you would be aware of the irrelevance of your argument.


Both players did the same thing. It was the wrong decision.


You dont need to. You cant have watched must rugby league. Though I had already gleaned that from you not being able to tell the difference between a picture of Danny Mcguire and Danny Buderus despite the fact you could see the number on their shirt. Other than the inteference that happened you would be correctWe were robbed, And now you are back to making things up.

Yet another response where you simply reassert that you are right without backing it up in any way whatsoever. It was a 50/50 call that had no bearing on whether or not Lima would have scored. Talk about obsessing over a non-issue!


The official interpretation was that Burrows played the ball at Charnley who did not. Correct call.


Ha ha, you're trying to belittle my RL knowledge on the basis that I don't know the [uLeeds[/u squad numbers or can recognise Buderus from the back of his head? Nice attempt at deflecting from the fact that you can't address any point I've made.

It wasnta 50-50 call, it was a clear forward pass. The ball was passed forward. Im not sure what this other justification for it being a forward pass is?


Other that it being wrong.

Yes, it takes a great knowledge or Rugby League and specifically Leeds Rhinos to know what it means when a player wears a 6 and what it means when a players wears a 9 and to know Danny Mcguire is a Halfback and Danny Buderus a hooker.

I must have started, unbeknown to me, smoking crack.

I agree with The Smokester.

What does appear to have gone unnoticed by you is that the thread was started by a Hull fan and there have been comments from Hull KR, Huddersfield, and Wakey fans too.

Have you even read the thread?

Yes I have, and the true teeth grinding bitterness comes from Saints and Warrington fans.

HTH.

Examples of which are................

Unfortunately, you get used to it on here. I come on here because I don’t live in an RL area and I miss talking about the game. I have been close to packing it in many times because the institutional negativity

As far as sport goes, the Challenge Cup final had everything you want for – a close game following a brave fight back from the underdogs, players playing through pain as only RL players can, some superb examples of skill and athleticism and a few bits of biff that show the players were well up for it

Is Rugby League the best sport in the world... absolutely

Is it wasted on so many of the people who post on these boards... absolutely

Have you read this thread?

Thought not

Lima caught the ball in line with Mossop, because they were both running forward. I thought that was how the momentum rule worked. But anyway, like I said it didn't affect the try, which is something you keep ignoring. The incorrect PTB, on the other hand, was a clear case of an incorrect call affecting the game.


You keep coming up with these amazing retorts. Let me try one: You're wrong! Now you post back saying you're right...


You do know that players have been wearing squad numbers that don't always relate to their field position for years, don't you? RL knowledge and all that. But yeah, if I mistook McGuire for Buderus then any argument I make in the future regarding the rules of Rugby League will be invalid, right? That makes sense.

I've read it trust me, it's littered with bitterness from Saints and Warrington fans, the usual suspect to boot as well.

I absolutely love it when Wigan win and it really gets up other fans noses, you being one of them.

Wigan deserved to win, I'm not bitter you don't even know me.



Where are these posts that prove Wire and Saints fans are more bitter than any others?? After all there must be a lot for the thread to be "littered" with them.

That's brilliant - yeah unless you're a Leeds fan you'd never guess that one of the greatest hookers ever to play the game would have no 9 on the back of his shirt

Should never have been a try if he`s throwing meters at people, not a good advert for Wigan education are you?

When did this "momentum rule" come into force?

Then you clearly dont understand 'the momentum rule' probably because it doesnt exist. Its clear you dont understand the reasons why the VR isnt used for forward passes and its clear you dont understand the affect of momentum on the forward pass rule, but you still persist in arguing that a pass described by the media as [iThe Lee Mossop pass that gave Lima the momentum for his second try was clearly forward, [/iwasnt. Why?
You are embarrasing yourself here. You would have to be an absolute moron to be arguing that an incorrect forward pass decision that was the final pass ten yars out and leading to a try wasnt affected by the referee's decision, but that an (possible) incorrect play the ball (what criteria for a play the ball do you think Ablett didnt meet? he certainly regained his feet, he puts the ball down and rolls it back and makes an attempt to touch the ball with his foot) 2 tackles before a try on the other side of the field is [ia clear case of an incorrect call affecting the game[/i. Oh thats what you have done!
It was wrong, im really not sure what else you want me to say. This was a situation described by the media as [ithe kick that led directly to Leuluai's clincher equally clearly went into touch off the legs of Charnley, rather than the body of Rob Burrow.[/i.
Yes, but 'squad numbers' would be the ones outside the first 17. When Danny Mcguire wears the number 9 shirt, or Danny Buderus wears a number 6 let me know and you wont look quite so stupid. However i expect Danny Mcguire will wear the number 9 shirt in the same game Ryan Bailey wears the number 1 and Shergar is interchanging at 8 with Lord Lucan.

Actually, I said it was one of the most borderline examples of a forward pass I'd seen and that given video footage is unreliable it's somewhat silly of you to form an opinion that you are 100% certain of using video footage as a basis. But hey, if the media say it was forward it must be.


Is the froth from your mouth dripping onto your keyboard or something? I assume that you're trying to say the forward pass affected the try and are just having a communication melt-down. If that's the case then I disagree, the pass was so borderline that the try would have been scored either way. Of course it's conjecture from both of us but I'm sure you'll insist you are factually 100% correct as indicated by your crystal ball (which, incidentally, I've hear they still use as a means of local authority governance round your way). My opinion, however, is based on the way Lima simply swatted opposition players away with ease when they really had a very good opportunity to tackle him. Nothing to do with the pass, just very poor tackling.


He was horizontal, placed the ball on the ground and leap-frogged it. It wasn't a correct PTB by any definition. You know the difference between RL and RU don't you?


Oh the media said did they? Well, perhaps if you weren't so unfamiliar with Rugby League you could rely on your own knowledge and not the media. Here's a helpful pointer:

[i[u9 Touch & Touch InGoal[/u
7. In all aspects of general play, a player who does not deliberately play at the ball (eg. ricochet or rebound) will not be disadvantaged by a consequent restart of play when the ball has gone dead or into touch.[/i


Ha ha, you really are putting a lot of effort into this sidetracking attempt aren't you? But just to put this to bed once and for all, what position did Tommy L play on Sat and what number did he have on his back? Now I predict that you'll either a) answer correctly and demonstrate my point quite nicely, or b) ignore the question which would indicate, using your own logic, that you have no Rugby League knowledge. So which is it?

And as i explained, there are reasons why the VR isnt used, reasons not applicable in this case. You then explained your misunderstanding of momentum. It wasnt boderline. It wasnt even close. It was clearly forwa

I dont disagree it was poor tackling. It doesnt affect the fact it was a forward pass and led directly to a try. By any logic this had more of an affect than an (possible) incorrect play the ball 2 tackles before a try was scored.

No he didnt. What criteria specifically for a play the ball wasnt met? As in what actually happened.

He played at the ball in exactly the same way Burrow did. Everybody else has seemed to understand this.

What number did Mr Mcilorum wear? It doesnt alter the fact had your bias not affected your view you would have easily recognised one of the most famous number 9's in the world, wearing number 9.