I agree that its up to GB/England to become competitive to bring internationals to life. How the heck we do that is a whole separate topic.

My only issue with Origin is that players have to be eligible to play for Australia. Jack Reed would qualify to play for England and is already better than any English SL Centre but is very unlikely to make Australia's top team. He could, however, quite possibly sneak an Origin appearance or two over his career due to injuries for Queensland, who regardless of the standard of their 'top' team don't have the strength in depth of NSW. As a result he'll plump for Qld and Australia - which he already has. He'll never play for England and may never even play Origin.

I really don't see how this would in any way detract from Origin as a spectacle and as a match. The rules of Origin qualification are themselves laughable, with several Queenslanders playing for NSW and vice versa. Would it really diminish the spectacle or event in any way if Jack Reed (or Gareth Widdop if he ever gets good enough) played Origin and for England?

yeah lets get rid of the best RL on the planet so int. RL can prosper




Origin is succesful because it is an even competetion since inception

sorry for burtsing your little bubble

yeh pretty much spot on

however a stronger int, scence can also help us too but its not essential

excellent post

At what point in this thread have I said get rid of Origin? I grew up watching Kenny, Sterling, Lewis, Miles etc play Origin and I loved it (I think it has become a little sanitised lately but I still thoroughly enjoyed the game on Wednesday)

What I am saying (and I will try and state this as clearly as possible) is this...

I do not want to get rid of Origin but holding it up as the pinnacle of our sport will hold back the International game. This was true in the 80's and 90's but very understandable as it was the best standard rugby on the planet but with the emergence of the Kiwi team as the leading international side, we should be showcasing international league as the pinnacle - and that will help our sport all over the world as international sport is far more recognisable that inter-state sport. If we want to ‘sell’ Rugby League, Australia vs. NZ is far more sellable than NSW vs. QLD

There it is - if you don't agree fair enough

(and I am trying very hard to make this point without laughing icons and petty insults)

Ok so even though it is the pinnacle we should just pretend it isnt

Lol

If GB or NZ could be like queensland over 40 years vs NSW, int. RL would be on par with origin

its that simple

all we have in international RL is a few upset wins in finals by NZ

its got a long way to go

NZ are probably there

Origin is the pinnacle

its makes us unique tbh

its something neither AFL or union can match so im happy as is

A few upset wins

The longer you bury your head in the sand the longer you'll continue to fail. 3 from 6 years and one of those there was no competition suggests that in the current climate you aussies oughta get your head out your ar$es and stop licking your tonsils

And there it is – one sentence which sums up the whole debate. An insular and small minded attitude

While you’re happy with Origin providing something to the Australian public that Union can’t match, Union will continue down their road of International competition and successfully market an inferior product because they have the vision to look outside of their small pond

If I didn’t love Rugby League so much I would just laugh off your small minded parochial attitude, as it happens it frustrates the hell out of me. But I do understand that trying to get through to you is an impossible task and you will continue with your lol’s and smiley faces and be content

yeah losing 75% of your games vs australia is competetive (kiwis)

if u love RL as much as you claim then you would love origin for what it is

something very special and which deserves the pedestal its on

Int RL has failed to match it

get rid of that chip on your shoulder trying to make RL like RU

id much prefer origin to the 6 nations anyday

This is turning into quite an infuriating conversation

Dally, you are laughing at the Kiwi’s not being competitive and yet they hold the two international trophies of the 4 Nations and the World Cup beating Australia in both finals – I suspect that even your Australian compatriots will feel embarrassed for you when they read that

As for Origin. I have stated quite clearly on this thread that I grew up watching it and idolising the players – I have not said at any point that I would like it to end it and it is quite rightly revered as top class Rugby League

As for your point about the 6 Nations. I too would rather watch a SOO match that a 6 Nations match (as I am a RL fan) but in the bigger picture, I would rather see a competitive international competition contested by 6 nations annually and regularly drawing crowds of 80k week to week. If you cannot see that then you are a fan of Australian Rugby League but not Rugby League

What I do take exception to is saying that I have a chip on my shoulder. What I am able to see is that the sport of Rugby league is dynamic, skilful and fantastic to watch and if we had the vision in our sport to take it away from its insular playground and showcase it to the world (as RU has done) we would see it become ever more popular. But no – you would rather see two states in Australia (that the vast majority of the world’s population couldn’t find on a map) play our sport as the pinnacle rather than the international game. Again, this was understandable until the Kiwis rose to the challenge but for some reason you are dismissing the world champions as uncompetitive!

I have no doubt that you will reply to this post and pick out a few key words without even trying to consider what I am saying and I also have you doubt that you would continue to post until I gave up trying to have a rational conversation with you – and as is the way of the internet you would think you have won the argument by force of will rather than the strength of your case

even more embarrassed when they realize the kiwis have never beaten GB/England in a series in england

1998

More embarrassing than coming third in a three team comp, the team that came second lost 2 points for fielding and ineligible player. Still jagged second. (how bad were the Pommies) (Best Pack in the World apparently, they must be upset with the Backs as they have been the Best Pack for a decade without winning anything)



It does not get much worse than that, unless its 2004 and one man hands you your Arse before he tells his team mates to slow down in the second half because it embarrassing the game at International level.

Last but not least GB with all the Guns on board play a one off Test in Oz mid season with all the Australian players firing on all eight Cylinders. If one word had to describe the result. MURDER. The English team management pronounced that such matches would never be held again.

As ECT said 1998.
The Kiwis won 2-1
Facts are not your strong point Master Roughy.
How did Mr Price do in last years SOO?




Credibility = Not much.

coming 3rd in a 3team comp downunder,playing 4 consecutive tests against the #1 & #2 ranked teams in world RL....nowt embarrassing about that pal...infact we won in sydney....more than the kiwis did...anyone with any sense of reality would class that tour as a sucess

and......aahh the old 'taken our foot of the gas argument'.....i love that one...i suppose the aussies took their foot off the gas at the JJB in the 2009 4nations game? so much so you did'nt even get out of your half in the 2nd half and for 2 very close video ref calls you would have lost that game...and gone out of the 4nations...how unprofessional..



yeah i can't see why flying halfway round the world then playing a single test after 2 or 3 days rest did'nt take off....tool





and 1 kiwi test series win in 104 years.....my bad

1907 and 1971 also. I just mentioned 1998 because it was so recent only a child or a complete retard wouldn't be able to remember something that recent.

Coming third in a three team comp should never be classed as a success regardless of events or issues. That is why England GB fails all the time and it excused as ok.

Australia were already in the final and changed their team and rested Key players for the GB game as a good Coach would

With the 2004 tri nations where Lockyer tore it up, why do you think 40 points were scored in the first half and only 4 in the second half?
Maybe they were sick of scoring.

Last games in England should have had a match committee to see what happened.
Tore England up at will and went into their shell.

Spud. ECT says you are full of it.
Have you actually ever been to a game?

Perhaps you should have a work with your compatriot dally who suggests that the Kiwi’s are ‘uncompetitive’ despite holding both international trophies on offer

Logic only works when it suits the Aussies I guess

I do not care what the other poster says, he is his own Man and can say what he likes.
I am happy to see another Country win major Tournaments
It should have been England / GB

I will say this if Oz played any country in a 3 or 5 Test series I would put my House on the results.
The kiwis have done well and they have had the rub of the Green, its been good for the game.

What the game needs is England to step up not NZ who are not rated, after seeing the Exiles game and Sam Tomkins seen as the Messiah I doubt I will be alive to see that change in the game.

yep id rather watch nsw vs queensland than australia vs NZ or england

so do most australians

u can work out why lol

RU has an international program and we in austraia crush them

so what exactly are we missing out on?

sure a stronger int. program will help but its not essential for us

sorry

lol

No need to apologise that you can’t see beyond your small world. I guess I expected too much from you, it’s a pity but I can live with it

I thought you were a Kiwi supporter anyway, Dally.