General opinion is teams with $hit grounds prefer $hit grounds and teams with modern grounds prefer modern grounds.

That's what bugs me about fans from those clubs banging on about Wakey, Cas, Saints et al 'breaking promises' over stadia. They probably don't realise that without a football team leading your charge, it's a hell of a lot harder and long-winded process to getting a new stadium built - especially when you're going to own the stadium as these clubs will.

In fact, in SL is there any team other than Warrington who has funded their stadium build?

Wasn't that Tesco?

Without a doubt! It'll be a sad day when grounds such as Wheldon Road and The Willows are gone. I just don't enjoy it as much sat down in an all seater stadium.

I don't find RL boring just because I watch it in a stadium with seats and hygienic toilets. RL is RL, regardless of where it's played or whether you watch it stood up or sat down.

Cas will be the only team in SL that has funded their own stadium, if and when J32 gets built.

The point is perhaps that they sought private investment for the project, rather than relying on the public purse.

Leeds and Hull KR, IIRC, are the only two that spring to mind who are currently funding their own developments entirely off their own back.

P Caddick paid for your ground not Leeds RL.

Your irony-o-meter does not recognise irony (in reality, you don't). I'd take it back and get a refund.





Yes you were and you were doing it by being over-dramatic. I am not sure how relevant Starbug was to the point you made as you were replying to a post by Leyther Matt. By being over-dramatic, you were trying to make Matt's point seem ludicrous.

'Wading through urine'? Where? Old stadiums do not have covered stands? Really? I have evidence to prove otherwise. Have you actually been to an old-fashioned stadium? Do you actually think the DW is better than, say, Central Park? If so, in what way?

The main reasons I prefer old-fashion stadia are because of terracing for those who want to stand and because of character. Character is a big issue to me, and I would say a few others. It's like a house. I would not buy a new build. Some people like yourself, may like the straight walls, plaster board, breeze-blocks and 'boxy' feel. I prefer walls that are not straight, corniches made from lime and plaster (rather than polystyrene ones from B&Q) and high ceilings.



I would never say 'have a nice day' to someone I don't know. It all sounds a bit flaky to me.

Wakefield's lavatory facilities are disgusting. I have been in them many times when there has been a good few millimetres of p[ii[/is[is[/i on the floor. Not exactly 'wading' put an unacceptable level of urine by anyone's standards.



They aren't all covered. At Wakey (sorry to keep using them as an example), they have one covered stand, the block of flats at one end, and the rest is uncovered. There is no way that every fan in the ground could sit or stand in a covered part of the stadium.



In almost every way. I enjoy the atmosphere in grounds like Wheldon Road, but the facilities, access and infrastructure are laughably poor.



Would you still like your old house if the bathroom stunk of wee, the roofs leaked, and you couldn't park within a mile of it?

Fair enough, not convinced thats what he meant though.

Anyway, if its private investement who provided them we can add Leigh to that list then.

It would appear that the only stadiums permissable by the rabid members of these forums are those paid for ONLY by gate receipts - and in cash. No football clubs, no Councils, no Tesco's and no investment company. It's only "your" ground if it's been paid for by notes and coins through the turnstiles !

Urine in toilets? Blow me down

. I have been in many new stadiums that have urine soaked toilet floors. I wouldn't say teh toilets smell more in older stadiums.




So you use one example, to criticise all traditional stadia. You would find cover at The Willows, Headingley, Wheldon Road and Knowsley Road



What facilities are you referring to?

Access and infrastructure? Have you been to DW and The Reebok? Can you be clearer what you mean by infrastructure?

TBF Wheldon Road is perfectly accessible once you get to Castleford.



Again, new stadiums have toilets with urine soaked floors and smell, the roofs also leak and access is poor. Also you can quite easily get soaked sitting in a new stadium.

You talk about 'access'. You seem to focus on access for those who are driving cars. Some people want to go to games using public transport. A lot of new stadiums seem to be well out of town with only one access route.

In terms of 'access' (by public transport and car), are there many stadia that are comparable to The Willows? You would be hard-pressed to find many.

I haven't. At least not to anything like the same extent.



I would. They might have 100 years of stale wee soaked into the fixtures and fittings as opposed to 5 or 10 years!



But not every stand. That's ought to be a minimum requirement, in my eyes.



Clean, working toilets, a seat where you don't have a huge piece of iron obscuring your view, covered stands, catering outlets and bars that consist of more than one burger van.



I am focusing on access for those who attend games in cars, because that's how I tend to travel. And I generally find it easier to get parked close to new stadia than older ones as they tend to be designed with this in mind a little more than stadia built decades ago. And don't quote Salford as an example - only a fool would leave his car unattended there!

Its a massive shame that so many RL clubs have moved out of their traditional homes into 'econo-dome' cloned stadia.
I realise that we have to move with the times, but I miss grounds like Hilton Park, Wilderspool and Naughton Park.
With a bit of perseverance and good financial management, a lot of the older grounds could easily have been upgraded to modern 'standards' in reasonable time.
IMO a club loses some of its identity when it moves into one of these boring new concrete cr*phouses.
Like I said though, we've got to move with the times I guess.

You have an astonishing lack of self-awareness.

you not been to Hull fc then not manys places to park there.

Cas' own money, or private sector partners?

Apart from the large car park, you mean. And the park and ride. And a number of surrounding streets a short walk from the stadium.

Apart from all those options, then?

I believe he is an FC fan. Plenty of parking places and an excellent park and ride.

no offence but i dont wont park and ride crap.

a perfect ground

1. Great rail, bus and road links.
2. Car parking
3. Good pubs and shops around the ground
4. Good club shop
5. 50/50 seats/stands
6. Fully covered stands
7. Access for all ages and abilities
8. Good food and beverages facilities
9. Good Bar (similar to the Quins one)
10. Good patient stewards (Wigan take note)

So you haven't spotted the huge car park next to the stadium or the parking on the surrounding streets (within a 10 minute walk at the most) or even the huge car park next to the hospital and your not interested in a park and ride? Maybe we should chopper you in?

lol well you could do i park the other side of the dual carrage way near the old ground.

If you said 'hypocritical' you may be nearer the mark. However, you fail to spot teh difference between the two.