based on what?

Look on the Widnes forum.

On those team's failings?

Salford and Crusaders' presence there looks shakey for a kick off.

It's old hat now that one I am affraid.Widnes have come a long way in 2 years and are now in good shape.You will have to find a different stick with which to beat us.It's history,this topic is about the present and a rumour that a new SL franchise need bailing out after going tits up themselves just 12 months into a 3 year licence.

As with many others from championship clubs I think this news produces as range of emotions. Fax were not ready last time so that was never an issue. What really pee'd me off was the preference shown to teams by the RFL purely on the basis of location. That kind of blind optimism without any sustainable basis, or the presence of a plan B just proves what short-sighted, egotistical morons run the game.

However, the most important thing here is the potential demise of a club and as a dyed in the wool RL fan that makes me very sad. Personally, despite a chequered history in Wales I think RL does have a future there. I am actually for putting a Bridgend based team back in championship 1 as I do think there has been a lot of good work which should not be lost to the game. No doubt mssrs Lewis and Wood will look to put them back in SL as soon as they win their first game, but lets hope they will have been replaced by real businessmen by that time.

Sometimes its best to admit you were wrong and move forwards with an alternative plan. Forget saving face, just do the sensible thing. Unfortunately the RFL or bust mentality makes that highly unlikely. Despite previous trolling cru, good luck and I sincerely hope you have a team to follow into the future.

you whinge about the RFL.

maybe they did you a favour not putting you in SL before you were ready.

what will you whinge about when widnes are in SL?

so you should be thanking the RFL then for not putting you in SL, for allowing the club to grow strong again.

Give the retard a bone, the penny has finally dropped.

Back to special school on monday is it?

so the RFL made the right choice for you then?

why are you whinging then? you should be thanking them

are all convicts retarted? or do we have a special case here

Quote ="dally messenger"so the RFL made the right choice for you then? why are you whinging then? you should be thanking them '" I don't thank the RFL for anything, they owe us nothing. It is Steve O'Connor who we have to thank. As for whinging, it's quite obvious that you cannot comprehend anything that is written by anyone who disagrees or questions the RFL's actions without construing it as "whinging flatcappery".. Perhaps you should give that tiny mind of yours a break? Or are you so desperately in need of attention on here that you must continue to contribute with your inane and rather pitiful trolling? You're worse than pathetic, I see TotalRL has rubbished you to the point where you don't post any more and you think you've found your level here. Maybe this is more suited to your level: www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/mb/

Quote ="dally messenger"so the RFL made the right choice for you then? why are you whinging then? you should be thanking them '" I don't thank the RFL for anything, they owe us nothing. It is Steve O'Connor who we have to thank. As for whinging, it's quite obvious that you cannot comprehend anything that is written by anyone who disagrees or questions the RFL's actions without construing it as "whinging flatcappery".. Perhaps you should give that tiny mind of yours a break? Or are you so desperately in need of attention on here that you must continue to contribute with your inane and rather pitiful trolling? You're worse than pathetic, I see TotalRL has rubbished you to the point where you don't post any more and you think you've found your level here. Maybe this is more suited to your level: www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/mb/

Quote ="GetThemScallyWags"I don't thank the RFL for anything, they owe us nothing. It is Steve O'Connor who we have to thank. As for whinging, it's quite obvious that you cannot comprehend anything that is written by anyone who disagrees or questions the RFL's actions without construing it as "whinging flatcappery".. Perhaps you should give that tiny mind of yours a break? Or are you so desperately in need of attention on here that you must continue to contribute with your inane and rather pitiful trolling? You're worse than pathetic, I see TotalRL has rubbished you to the point where you don't post any more and you think you've found your level here. Maybe this is more suited to your level: www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/mb/'" you are so amusing ill miss all the whinging from widnes fans when they are in SL bless you guys

Quote ="GetThemScallyWags"I don't thank the RFL for anything, they owe us nothing. It is Steve O'Connor who we have to thank. As for whinging, it's quite obvious that you cannot comprehend anything that is written by anyone who disagrees or questions the RFL's actions without construing it as "whinging flatcappery".. Perhaps you should give that tiny mind of yours a break? Or are you so desperately in need of attention on here that you must continue to contribute with your inane and rather pitiful trolling? You're worse than pathetic, I see TotalRL has rubbished you to the point where you don't post any more and you think you've found your level here. Maybe this is more suited to your level: www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/mb/'" you are so amusing ill miss all the whinging from widnes fans when they are in SL bless you guys

simple logic

you people whinge about the RFL for picking crusaders over you

given the way crusaders turned out and now your club is stronger, it looks like they did you a favour and there is no need to whinge

im sorry for bringing in logic into this. if you guys want to blame the RFL for everything despite the facts, go ahead and do it

the only reason i stopped posting on TRL was because a mod was a RU ref. given i consider RU to be evil, it was always hard trying to fit in with his views that we should ignore the various evils RU has committed to RL over the years.

the club was stronger within 12 months of S o'C's regime not because the RFL didn't select us? You really are that out of touch

And that is exactly why they shouldn't have put crusaders in. They weren't ready. You have just lost an argument for yourself! Amazing. Do you leave your credability at the door when you come on here?

And please don't think about signing up for the flatcappers now you see things our way

And you are so tedious.

and even stronger 3 years later.

well done to the RFL then for not throwing widnes into the deep end early.

im just turning the flat cappers argument back on themselves.

as usual when the holes in their argument are exposed they just get emotional

stop responding then,

im looking for a logical reply from you guys

im still waiting

And not well done for throwing the Celtic Crusaders into the deep end as they appear to be drowning , Widnes couls already swin , so they would have survived either way

widnes could already swim?

they were sinking in a sea of debts.

they could swim as well as the titanic.

You are the only one deluded enough to believe any of that. You've no real 'argument' beyond trolling and nothing you say warrants any kind of debate.

You're a sad attention seeker, go and get help.

All clubs are sinking in a sea of debts , the difference is that in the heartlands there are people willing to keep bailing clubs out , outside the heartlands there isn't , so they sink