The fact Toronto home matches kick off at 12:30pm or 2:30pm means the time difference will be negligible as those times in the UK are 5:30pm or 7:30pm

Always, you dont get to look like me unless you're wife is always right

Toronto should be playing in a Canadian League, because Toronto is in Canada.
Is that straight forward enough for you ? But the RFL are that desperate to add something NEW to our game, we have Toronto and 2 French clubs in the RFL.
Rumour has it, Ralph Rimmer is targeting that wonderful planet Pluto next for a new team to join our league. But with their currency being a 'plip-plop' it could cause a few problems.

In fairness, the 2 French sides (Catalan and Toulouse) seem to fit in pretty well and offer a great weekend away

, plus, a 2 hour flight doesn't disrupt anyone's schedules but, an 8 hour flight plus jet lag in one or other direction will have an impact, albeit for a relatively small amount of time.

The main issue is that there is nothing underneath Toronto in the way of an amateur game, junior RL etc. They have a match day 17 which is made up 100% of imported players. I know they have a few "locals" in the squad but, they missed the boat with these players,who may have had half a chance of competing in league 1 but, haven't a hope in hell of competing in SL.

Wrong it’s mars and Venus first if it comes of then Pluto

I was surprised myself that it wasn't higher, albeit there were sections of the stand closed (saves costs on stewards) which made the sections in use look pretty full. No way 3,000 though. LOL, I've said something similar about another club, but I was one of the 1774 yesterday.

Decent contingent supporting TWP, and although very disappointed with Fax's attacking display (TWP had clearly done their homework, and Fax didn't have a plan B), the result was a fair one.

TWP will need to step up a couple of gears from that though if they're going to be promoted.

When you cross multiple sectors quickly your body clock is altered causing you to be 'off peak', possibly affecting your sleep, diminished mental performance, etc. The impact varies between individuals. Recommended one day per sector crossed to achieve 100% recovery.

There are suggestions for reducing the impact such as timing of meals, managed diet (IIRC alcohol is a definite no-no) and exercise - although, when I asked, it was suggested that the level of exercise involved would be at elite athlete level, so maybe it works for pro RL players who are supreme athletes (well some of them

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Travelling West to East has more impact than vice versa as the body clock has to advance. Not sure how the UK sides manage it but, generally, if you aren't going to be in N America long it is best to try and keep to somewhere near UK time to reduce the affects on return (so to bed in the early evening).

So, in some sense Noble is right, there might be a 'duty of care' issue especially for TWP players if TWP don't get fixtures in blocks. But, that was always going to be the case!

If Toronto want blocks of games they should then fund the visiting teams flight and decent standard accommodation, or they can just get on like everyone else. If they want the league to pander to their needs, they should pay for it.

Yeah, I agree. Got used to them being in our game, but will NEVER understand the Toronto addition....

Not to worry, I'm sure you'll enjoy the trip to Hemel and West Wales next season.

The Challenge Cup draw for next season hasn't been made




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Are they trying to set up local clubs? Is there an interest in actually playing the game, as opposed to just turning up and watching a pre-prepared product, so to speak?

I'm not a huge fan of Toronto playing in the English leagues anyway (because of the problems with travel etc.), but I'd definitely be more supportive if I knew that there was a serious attempt to develop the sport in the city, and a realistic possibility of it succeeding.

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Quote ="Muggins"Are they trying to set up local clubs? Is there an interest in actually playing the game, as opposed to just turning up and watching a pre-prepared product, so to speak? I'm not a huge fan of Toronto playing in the English leagues anyway (because of the problems with travel etc.), but I'd definitely be more supportive if I knew that there was a serious attempt to develop the sport in the city, and a realistic possibility of it succeeding.'" I'd recommend the Whippets and Flat Caps Podcast Episode 25 (https://whippetsandflatcaps.podbean.com ... noble-mbe/). Long interview with Noble and unless he's the world's greatest conman then Toronto are working extremely hard to develop interest in junior players and amateurs.

Quote ="Muggins"Are they trying to set up local clubs? Is there an interest in actually playing the game, as opposed to just turning up and watching a pre-prepared product, so to speak? I'm not a huge fan of Toronto playing in the English leagues anyway (because of the problems with travel etc.), but I'd definitely be more supportive if I knew that there was a serious attempt to develop the sport in the city, and a realistic possibility of it succeeding.'" I'd recommend the Whippets and Flat Caps Podcast Episode 25 (https://whippetsandflatcaps.podbean.com ... noble-mbe/). Long interview with Noble and unless he's the world's greatest conman then Toronto are working extremely hard to develop interest in junior players and amateurs.

Rather a flat cap than the dunces cap you wear.

So now you’re even taking the Mick out of your own expansionist clubs - you’ve just created a whole new level of stupidity - well done.

Some would say that it's about bl**dy time that the RFL showed desperation to add something NEW to the game. Nigel Wood coasted for years, Ralph Rimmer looks like he's the fat controller's apprentice, Brian Barwick's 'contacts' are all from a 1960s Roladex. The NRL 'bent' their rules to encourage expansion, especially in the case of Melbourne Storm. We can't do anything to assist Toronto? Not even re-arranging a few fixtures?

Wolfpack were admitted to tier 3 under the agreement that until they entered SL they would pay for away travel and accommodation. To date they have done so, albeit with complaints (from fans mainly) about student dorms and travel to training etc, as well as the criminal record v temporary visa saga that lumbers on...all can be described as teething issues and are to be expected.
The 2018 fixture list being skewed because of upgrades to Lamport most assuredly benefited the Wolfpack, but if we are allowing for teething problems, then fine.

What isn't acceptable is Noble and the club whining about home and away scheduling......a block of 4 home games would 100% give the wolfpack an unfair advantage and as such, they've received a compromise....as for the £300,000 spend....their issue, not ours!
As I say, I hope HKR stuff them......another year in the lower tier will cost Argyle another wedge and for all his "bar tab down the local" bravado, this is real cash.
If they go up, then I hope that the SL side enforce their scheduling strictly......and that the powers that be are all over their cap.........

In terms of their 2019 schedule 2 home games followed by 2 away games throughout most of the season would seem a fair and reasonable compromise.

February is a problem for them as Toronto doesn’t really get above freezing, they may need to start the season with 3 or 4 away matches, or home games will be postponed due to the weather. You can be sure M62 clubs won’t want to travel to Toronto away on a Wednesday night rearranged fixture.

Catalans and Toulouse manage with the standard fixture arrangement. In football clubs could play on a Saturday then in Champions League fly to Russia for a match on the Wednesday and play on the following Saturday.

If Toronto can't handle it, they shouldn't be in this league. Simples.

Manchester is a grim city is it?

It's North of Watford ain't it....

not quite as bad as Bradford squire. best thing about Bradford is the road out of it

Melbourne were virtually Perth Reds werent they?
I heard Ian Leningrad say they'd have Perth in the Sooper Leegue.

So, the general gist of all this is that Toronto want to play in the UK's Rugby League structure.

However, do not want to play the format of 1 home and 1 away as the league has done for many years as its not good for players/feasible/fair/travelling etc.


May have issues at the start of the season due to frozen pitch, cold weather, so cant play their games at their stadium.


Did no one think this through before applying, and did no one pick this up from the RFL when they applied, pitfalls seem to have been ignored at the expense of bringing a team in that is on the other side of the world into a foreign domestic league. Not knocking Toronto for doing this, but to do so without weighing everything up from both sides is amateurish at best. It sounds like a morning meeting discussion at the RFL and asking the tea lady to sort it out.