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| Diamond seems to forget what he has said previously and what was published as part of the court case.
An email was sent from Diamond to Steve Gill withdrawing the 200k offer and reducing this to 50k. I assume Diamond has forgotten this, as he now claims Castleford have not gained financially by taking the case through the legal process. Even the most basic maths says that the difference between Sale's offer (50k) and the settlement (in excess of 200k) means Castleford have gained financially.
Diamond is also on record in the press as saying Sale were entitled to sign Solomona for free as he had retired from RL. Given his previous comments, he therefore looks at idiot claiming that a 200k (plus legal costs) is a successful outcome for Sale.
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"Just makes it a bit easier for clubs without the cash for an expensive legal fight to have something in writing that makes it a lot more clear cut.'"
Is it not clear-cut already? Signing an RL contract clearly prohibits playing another sport (one would hope).
If a player is going to walk away from a contract, he's not going to worry about the content of said contract.
Unless of course a punitive financial penalty is included as a clause in the contract that the player would be personally liable to pay (perhaps 10x salary) should the player breach their contract.
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| Tigers got 205K for DS - so that is a decent result IMO although I was expecting something in the region of 300K.
The big result for me though is how much Sale Sharks have had to pay-out.
205K plus both legal teams at 110K each. 425K - thats one hell of a bill.
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How innocent and professional they have been. Not.
Grubby club and grubby people!
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How innocent and professional they have been. Not.
Grubby club and grubby people!
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Quote ="Wildthing"How innocent and professional they have been. Not.
Grubby club and grubby people!'"
Indeed. It seems it's not just us RL folks here. A few Sale Sharks fans think their club are very unprofessional in how they have dealt with the matter as well:-
www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read ... 4,16029581
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Quote ="Wildthing"How innocent and professional they have been. Not.
Grubby club and grubby people!'"
Indeed. It seems it's not just us RL folks here. A few Sale Sharks fans think their club are very unprofessional in how they have dealt with the matter as well:-
www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read ... 4,16029581
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| Sounds like sour grapes from Sale and Diamond.
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To be fair MOST of them are pretty mortified by that statement, as they should be.
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To be fair MOST of them are pretty mortified by that statement, as they should be.
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That's quite the positive spin on things! Perhaps castleford shouldn't have settled if that's what they were acting like.
Quote Given that a potentially sizeable proportion of the legal costs may not be recoverable from Sale'"
What should we make of this?
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That's quite the positive spin on things! Perhaps castleford shouldn't have settled if that's what they were acting like.
Quote Given that a potentially sizeable proportion of the legal costs may not be recoverable from Sale'"
What should we make of this?
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| Given the £50k offered by SD for a quick deal and then him bragging about getting DS for free I'd say Sale are out of pocket by at least £150k on the transfer fee alone.
The whole statement smacks of infant school playground noise and makes them look foolish, churlish, unprofessional and clearly not prepared to hold their hand up at their own skullduggery that caused the issue in the first place.
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| The simplest way to show how nonsensical Sale's position is would be to ask how they would respond if any of their squad did what Solomona tried to do - retire from RU and walk away from their contract, straight to another pro team. Even more bizarrely it suggests they would be Ok with that happening if a player 'retired' from living in the north and simply left Sale and signed for an RU club in the south. The logic they are implying can only lead to that being their view.
Oddly enough, I suspect the next contracted player that wants to leave Sale won't be allowed to just walk away.
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| They really are the lowest of the low Sale aren't they?! It sounds like they've thrown their toys out the pram and are basically threatening to do it again if they feel like it.
Tin pot club with no support but deep pockets because of owners who clearly have no standards.
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| Quote ="saleslim"The whole episode has been a mess from start to finish.
Diamond has done the club no favours here.
Firstly, he feels the settlement shows Castleford were wrong to reject our first offer of 200k. However, he seems to fail to grasp that Castleford have no obligation to accept any offer for a player under contract.
An email was then published from Diamond to Castleford that withdrew the 200k offer and reduced this to 50k. As such, Castleford never had the opportunity to accept the 200k offer (not that they were under any obligation to do so anyway). Diamond therefore looks a fool to claim Castleford did not benefit financially from the settlement when we only offered 50k and we have ended up paying 200k (plus some legal costs).
A simple search also brings up comments from Diamond claiming we could sign Solomona for free as he had retired and been sacked by Castleford (though how anyone can retire AND be sacked is open to debate!). I begin to wonder whether Diamond has forgotten this, as it seems we have paid 200k (plus legal costs) for a player he was so certain would cost us nothing.
I'm afraid the handling of this by Diamond has been nothing short of amateur and embarrassing, full of contradictions and ridiculous comments.
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| I can kind of see his point, they were prepared to pay £200k and in the end they paid £200k.
What he's missing is that it assumes Cas should just have said ok have him and not tried to protect a contracted asset that they didn't want to sell. Likewise if Sale hadn't tapped him up he equally wouldn't have been unsettled.
Very arrogant approach by the chairman and he's just playing the schoolground bully tactic.
The only downside is the DS seems to be playing well there, would have been nice for him to have flopped
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| On the other hand, Solomona's replacement - who came with a bit of a damaged goods reputation has outperformed him in the try scoring dept showing which code has the greater depth of talent. I really aren't that bothered how DS goes in the inferior code because no matter how well he does there will always be a core of the yawnion press who will be there to rubbish and never accept him because of his RL background. He chose to mix with such scum so tough.
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| Quote ="barham red"I can kind of see his point, they were prepared to pay £200k and in the end they paid £200k.
What he's missing is that it assumes Cas should just have said ok have him and not tried to protect a contracted asset that they didn't want to sell. Likewise if Sale hadn't tapped him up he equally wouldn't have been unsettled.
Very arrogant approach by the chairman and he's just playing the schoolground bully tactic.
The only downside is the DS seems to be playing well there, would have been nice for him to have flopped'"
Was the offer actually genuine on on the table properly, from reading it would seem it might have being mentioned but not offered, I'm not 100% sure of that, plus wouldn't DS agent have gotten a wedge of the fees anyway?
That Sale removed the offer whatever it was) thinking they could just get DS for nowt shows you what a contemptable bunch of cretins they are.
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| It also ignores the fact that Solomona would never have 'retired' from RL without the offer of a contract from Sale. I doubt very much that when Solomona said he was retiring from RL he actually intended to never work again. Literally one of this would have happened if Sale hadn't tapped Solomona up in the first place.
Like I said, I await with interest the time another RU team starts talking to a contracted Sale player who then declares he has 'retired' from Sale and is ready to play for his new team the next day. Presumably Sale's owners will not only let them leave but will also throw them a lavish retirement party, complete with gold watch.
Utter gibberish from Sale.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Utter gibberish from Sale.'"
Indeed; according to the interview, Sale's view is that if a player says he's unhappy, the right thing to do is let him go - so if one of their rivals from the lesser code taps up one of their players, he need only say he's unhappy, and they'll shrug their shoulders and release him from his contract?
In summary - they thought they could bulldoze lowly Cas, they were served with legal papers, and folded because they knew their case had little chance of success. It doesn't do anything in terms of legal precedent, but it perhaps sends a message that RL clubs are not quite the pushovers that Sale assumed.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Indeed; according to the interview, Sale's view is that if a player says he's unhappy, the right thing to do is let him go - so if one of their rivals from the lesser code taps up one of their players, he need only say he's unhappy, and they'll shrug their shoulders and release him from his contract?
In summary - they thought they could bulldoze lowly Cas, they were served with legal papers, and folded because they knew their case had little chance of success. It doesn't do anything in terms of legal precedent, but it perhaps sends a message that RL clubs are not quite the pushovers that Sale assumed.'"
In the aftermath of this case, RL does seem to be losing the publicity battle, with Sale (and Diamond in particular), claiming that they got their man for 5k more than the original plan and the most uncomfortable aspect of this, is that, there is nothing to prevent other players "leaving" the game in just the same unsavoury way that Solomona did.
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| According to Cas' lawyer, the 200K offer wasn't that at all.... it was 75K up front, 75K this September, 10K repayment for DS' loan, 20K for playing his first game for England RU and the final 20K when he amassed 10 international appearances. Sale then withdrew this offer and made a paltry 50K offer. Cas refused both of these straight away.
Sale have ended up paying 205K to Cas up front and then their own legal costs and 100K of Cas' legal costs (which is cash in hand to Cas as they have pretty much already paid their own legal costs). According to the lawyer, he estimated Sale are paying out upwards of 400K for this sorry affair.
The big thing for me is how dignified and professional everyone from the RL side of things have been whereas the RU side have been nothing short of a joke!
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| Sale are paying a lot but Cas aren't getting enough. It doesn't really deter a RU club if they're willing to pay ~£1m for the next best RL player does it. And they can definitely afford it.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"In the aftermath of this case, RL does seem to be losing the publicity battle, with Sale (and Diamond in particular), claiming that they got their man for 5k more than the original plan and the most uncomfortable aspect of this, is that, there is nothing to prevent other players "leaving" the game in just the same unsavoury way that Solomona did.'"
I agree with you on this. I know we are in the era of fake news but Sale are going back further in time and adopting the old Goebbels approach of if you tell the big lie often enough then eventually some people will start believing it. I do wish the RFL were more aggressive on this. It is not libel to call someone a liar if there is evidence to back it up. Call out Sale and Diamond for what they are.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"sums it up perfectly'"
Where's this quote from mate as some cheeky er has nicked my username!!!
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| Quote ="SaleSlim"Where's this quote from mate as some cheeky er has nicked my username!!!
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From the link to the Sale forum posted earlier in the thread
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| Someone needs to set up a Kickstarter fund raiser to entice Josh Charnley back to RL by just walking out on his Sale contract, to see if Steve Diamond still feels the same as he does now.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"From the link to the Sale forum posted earlier in the thread'"
Ah ok cheers. Need to amend my username so I'm not associated to the Yawnion brigade!
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