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Just got back, Not quite as good as last night but another brutal match. Ireland where pretty poor at times though, Didn't really offer anything going forward. I'm surprised it took nearly the whole first half before fiji had a player binned though. I like a good physical game but I think they went a bit ott. Had a good evening though, Nice little stadium.
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| Quote ="saint at wire"I thought Fiji dominated the game and deserved to win.
Ireland never gave up but were well beaten in the forwards and had nothing to offer in attack. Mendeika and Finn were poor, not surprising behind a beaten pack, but no excuse when attacking.
I loved the physical collisions but thought Fiji went completely OTT at times. It looks like they will try to disrupt England and the Aussies forwards in the same way.'"
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Disappointed really with Ireland. They tried hard but they just lacked quality all over the field.
Their pack was pretty young and got battered really. Although I thought O'Carroll was pretty immense for Ireland.
Mendieka and Finn offered absolutely no threat what so ever. A backline of Blanch, Littler, another centre I've never heard of and Richards is hardly going to set the world alight.
I'd expect England and Australia to beat both fairly easily. It will be interesting who Fiji play in the QFs.
Great crowd though, brilliant to get a stadium record. Atmosphere was as electric as last night but still an enjoyable evening.
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It was always going to be a big ask to beat last night, but it was another thoroughly enjoyable evening, love this tournament! I know there had been a lot of talk about the Fijian community in Rochdale, but I had no idea that there were so many of them!
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Awesome brutal game!! Fiji didn't just hit hard, they defended their line superbly. Ireland had a lot of repeat sets on fiji's line.
Great atmosphere and the Fijians in the ground were having the time of their lives!
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| I think the conditions were definitely a leveller in this one. Play this game in fine weather, on a hard pitch, and Ireland get 50+ put past them.
Can't wait for Fiji to play England now, see how the Burgess bros go against those monster Fijian forwards!
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| Quote ="Leyther_till_death"It will be interesting who Fiji play in the QFs.'"
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fijis indiscipline would have seen them lose to a better opponent, Im surprised Bentham kept his card in his pocket as long as he did.
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| Quote ="roopy"Brett White is a well known grub and sledger.
He put a high shot on Korbin Sims early in the game and would have had a lot to say about it, as is his way.
The Sims brothers are all known as guys who will go toe to toe in a forward battle, and as usual White bit off more than he could chew.
To be honest, White and the Sims brothers are all pretty similar players - but it was three on one in this game.'"
Jeez roopy your fiji hat was so well nailed on you must have struggled to get it off this morning!!
Whites dodgy swinging arm was in about the fourth minuite and fiji scored not long after, their second try was very lucky too, I thought the fijian 9 dropped it before he got his foot to it and fiji got a lucky call IMO, even though that was never gonna decide the game.
all that happened before Fiji lost it, all that started when Sims dug Hassan on the ground, when they did they let Ireland back in with numerous piggy back pens an there could have been a hatful more that Bentham didnt give.
Fijians were their own worst enemy all game. They played the typical Island game with brains left in the changing room and it took the withdrawl of one of the sims ( I think he took a knock from a poorly timed tackle) and the Ireland try on about 25mins to make the game a rugby match again. |
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| Quote ="marvwoodburn"Jeez roopy your fiji hat was so well nailed on you must have struggled to get it off this morning!!
Whites dodgy swinging arm was in about the fourth minuite and fiji scored not long after, their second try was very lucky too, I thought the fijian 9 dropped it before he got his foot to it and fiji got a lucky call IMO, even though that was never gonna decide the game.
all that happened before Fiji lost it, all that started when Sims dug Hassan on the ground, when they did they let Ireland back in with numerous piggy back pens an there could have been a hatful more that Bentham didnt give.
Fijians were their own worst enemy all game. They played the typical Island game with brains left in the changing room and it took the withdrawl of one of the sims ( I think he took a knock from a poorly timed tackle) and the Ireland try on about 25mins to make the game a rugby match again.'"
I've seen enough of the Sims brothers and Brett White over the years to know they all have the capacity to indulge in personal battles and forget the game plan for a while. White and Ahston Sims have been a couple of my least favourite players over the years because of that. It was a pity to see the boys get distracted, but you can be sure that there was niggle going both ways. |
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I must be on a different planet, because the attitudes from the likes of White and Ashton made that game. I texted a mate while watching "Ashton's a d/head, but it's great entertainment".
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This was a really entertaining game. I was surprised at how physical the Fijians were, with their forwards hitting hard all game. They have plenty of pace in the outside backs too.
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Fiji will definitely have to become more disciplined if it wants to compete with Australia. The coach had better work on that.
The other problem is that Fiji has a lot of talented players, but not in the halves.
I think a place has to be found for Darryl Millard (assuming that he is not injured) either as centre (with Wes Naiqama moving to no. 6) or as No 6 himself.
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I started watching the game expecting to support Fiji, but within about 2 minutes I was supporting Ireland.
I love the physical side of the game but Fiji were dirty throughout and took it too far with cheap shots, elbows, hair pulling etc. etc.
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They were exactly the same in the Police World Cup Final at Headingley. The referee that day was having none of it and, if I remember correctly, played 30 minutes with 12 men due to 3 sin-binnings.
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Enjoyed the game, impressed with fiji, very aggressive, maybe abit over the top at times but rattled Ireland...fiji could pose a few problems for england
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"I started watching the game expecting to support Fiji, but within about 2 minutes I was supporting Ireland.
I love the physical side of the game but Fiji were dirty throughout and took it too far with cheap shots, elbows, hair pulling etc. etc.'"
Same for me. I was expecting to cheer on Fiji but it soon became apparent that Ireland were the plucky one’s and so I ended up supporting them. Fiji were good but I don’t think we can judge too much from that performance as Ireland, while they worked really hard were lacking creativity going forward
The Fijians are definitely impressive athletes though and will trouble even the best defences through sheer athleticism
They definitely need to cut out the cheap stuff though as a better outfit than Ireland would have punished them when they were being walked downfield on the back of penalties (and on that note, not sure why the referee is getting the blame for Fiji’s lack of discipline but there you go) |
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Quote ="roopy"Brett White is a well known grub and sledger.
He put a high shot on Korbin Sims early in the game and would have had a lot to say about it, as is his way.
The Sims brothers are all known as guys who will go toe to toe in a forward battle, and as usual White bit off more than he could chew.
To be honest, White and the Sims brothers are all pretty similar players - but it was three on one in this game.'"
Perspectives are an interesting thing. From reading English forums you would think Fiji were grubs who played dirty without reason. But look down under and most rugby league fans felt that Ireland were getting away with a lot of off the ball nonsense and Fiji were right sort them out with some big but mainly legal hits.
Watching the game myself I'm not sure what people are against? I understand that taken collectively you might say Fiji went over the top, but the fact of the matter is that if you take their bruising tackles individually there was nothing wrong with 99% of them.
It also seemed to me that Ireland were happy to make an equal amount of high shots and get involved with a bit of niggle(elbowing people in the head after a try, clotheslines, late hits, etc)
From where I'm sat Fiji are catching all the flak because they physically dominated the opposition to a ridiculous extent. Nothing to do with being noticeably more dirty, everything to do with being bigger, faster, stronger and more explosive than their opponents.
And for anyone licking their lips at the possibility of a Sims-Burgess showdown. The Sims Brothers seem up to it and hammered the Rabbitohs last time round.
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Quote ="roopy"Brett White is a well known grub and sledger.
He put a high shot on Korbin Sims early in the game and would have had a lot to say about it, as is his way.
The Sims brothers are all known as guys who will go toe to toe in a forward battle, and as usual White bit off more than he could chew.
To be honest, White and the Sims brothers are all pretty similar players - but it was three on one in this game.'"
Perspectives are an interesting thing. From reading English forums you would think Fiji were grubs who played dirty without reason. But look down under and most rugby league fans felt that Ireland were getting away with a lot of off the ball nonsense and Fiji were right sort them out with some big but mainly legal hits.
Watching the game myself I'm not sure what people are against? I understand that taken collectively you might say Fiji went over the top, but the fact of the matter is that if you take their bruising tackles individually there was nothing wrong with 99% of them.
It also seemed to me that Ireland were happy to make an equal amount of high shots and get involved with a bit of niggle(elbowing people in the head after a try, clotheslines, late hits, etc)
From where I'm sat Fiji are catching all the flak because they physically dominated the opposition to a ridiculous extent. Nothing to do with being noticeably more dirty, everything to do with being bigger, faster, stronger and more explosive than their opponents.
And for anyone licking their lips at the possibility of a Sims-Burgess showdown. The Sims Brothers seem up to it and hammered the Rabbitohs last time round.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"I started watching the game expecting to support Fiji, but within about 2 minutes I was supporting Ireland.
I love the physical side of the game but Fiji were dirty throughout and took it too far with cheap shots, elbows, hair pulling etc. etc.'"
Did you also start supporting Ausrtralia a few minutes into the England game? After all the English boys were flying in with high shots, niggling in the tackle, elbowing people in the face.
Fiji were no dirtier than England were against Australia. Everything that Fiji did you can find examples of England players doing. The only difference is Fiji emasculated Ireland whereas England were unable to do the same to Australia.
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Thought Ireland could have scored more with all the ball and field position they had but they seemed clueless in the backs. Also, is the pitch at Spotland quite narrow because it seemed that both backlines ran out of space to pass quite quickly?
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Fiji will definitely have to become more disciplined if it wants to compete with Australia. The coach had better work on that.
The other problem is that Fiji has a lot of talented players, but not in the halves.
I think a place has to be found for Darryl Millard (assuming that he is not injured) either as centre (with Wes Naiqama moving to no. 6) or as No 6 himself.'"
Groome and Noilea did a much better job than I thought they would. Groome was a decent halfback in under 20s but has never done anything in the seniors and basically plays park footy, and Noilea is a domestic Fijian player.
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Thoroughly enjoyed Spotland last night. Thought Fiji were uncompromising and ruthless, but didn't cross the line any more than you see in any good hard intense game with a bit of fire. If SL games were all of that intensity it wouldn't matter what format the competition is. Give me a bit of mongrel and a few borderline characters any day.
Ireland stood up well to the Fijian onslaught but seemed to back off towards the end, some of their runners didn't seem all that keen to hit the white wall any more!
This WC is shaping up nicely.
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| Quote ="ChrisGS"Perspectives are an interesting thing. From reading English forums you would think Fiji were grubs who played dirty without reason. But look down under and most rugby league fans felt that Ireland were getting away with a lot of off ball. '"
Well, you would have never thought, Australian RL fans mainly going for the team with Australian based players in and British fans going for the side with mainly British based players, whatever next!
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clotheslines, late hits, etc)'"
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If they were all those things in such greater quantities they wouldn't have needed to get into all that.
You failed to notice that when they did lose their head, they actually let Ireland into the game and they scored. After half time Fiji cooled off and outplayed Ireland while still dominating them in the middle
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| Quote ="Cronus"some of their runners didn't seem all that keen to hit the white wall any more!
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