Aye, we'll agree to disagree.

Nice level headed post well thought out with a brilliant insight.

He is not a s@&t prop. To play at any team in super league (even one at bradfords level) makes him not s@&t. He isn't the best player in the league but for me he is either well over rated by some or underated by others. He isn't a James graham or Jamie peacock (cannot think of a good Bradford prop sorry) but he does a job and is a solid player in a squad game. Personally glad he plays in our team

Those that get upset with the whole TMFMISL (or whatever) thing ought to have a read through the Bailey thread on the Leeds board. They have clearly missed the joke, and in fact their anti-Bailey hysteria is the very thing which keeps it going.

As for all this dirty/cowardly stuff, most of it gets shown up for the vapourware it is when pressed, apart from examples that every self-respecting prop in RL would have done at least as often as Bailey over a 10-year period.

Bailey's ACTUAL record is what G1 is talking about on this thread. Not factually incorrect memories of Bailey's supposed thuggery.

A classic is the Radford-Bailey incident (almost as bizarrely mis-remembered as the time the current Leeds coach apparently floored the whole Leeds pack, which the video clearly shows also never happened). I watched the video of it expecting to see Radford receieve a dreadful deliberate elbow to the mouth and pummel Bailey toe-to-toe in a manly fashion. Because that's what Hull fans said happened. In fact Bailey barely touched Radford, who responds with a rain of blows on a prone player. Radford's attack was as cowardly as they come (and also suggest he's a rubbish boxer given he also barely connected). Go check out the video now, have a look, and pretend you don't know it's Bailey involved. If it wasn't Bailey, everybody would be wondering WTF Radford was thinking.

Even worse, why was Radford applauded for that? If Bailey is hated solely because of his actions, why wasn't there a ten page thread arguing for Radford to be shot? Why wasn't there a running 20-page thread about Barrie McDermott whilst he was still playing. He was FAR dirtier than Bailey.

That's what G1 has alluded to. He's simply asked why people dislike Bailey particularly, when there are other dirty players around the league - including at Leeds.

Biggest p***k in SL, can't stand the guy.

I find Bailey irritating, his attitude and the manner in which he conducts himself is the reason for that. I agree that he isn't a dirty player, he's certainly an agressive player and I'd probably say the way in which he plays the game can, at times, be unsporting. Saying that, would I think this if he played for Bradford or would I simply be like the Leeds followers who laugh at the opposition fans for allowing themselves to be wound up by Bailey? Pretty certain it would be the latter.

This is clearly part of his "value" as a member of the Leeds pack as he has the ability to get under the skin of the opponents and rile them, whereby they lose their heads and not him.

I think you've played down the Bailey/Radford thing a little there though, the needlessly over-aggressive wriggling about on the floor by Bailey where he looks to at least make some contact with Radford's head with the ball carrying arm was a bit OTT, but agreed that Radford is a numpty for his reaction.

Bailey does get into too much niggly dirty stuff (what team doesn't have a player like that?), but i think people on here who like to say Bailey is a rubbish player must only look out for the bad things just to be able to criticise. If you watch him fairly you'll see he is actually a good prop, not great, but good. He never has nor ever will be in the class of Graham, Peacock, Morley who are/been great props, but on his day he can be a real handful.

Nearly as good as having a brass band playing in the stand, because thats not embarrassing at all is it.

CRINGE

Kevin Brown is constantly verballing other players and refs - sooner or later he is going to get what is coming - he has always been like this. We are not party to the nature/content of the on-field sledging and we don't know what led to this incident. I personally have no truck with Kevin Brown getting an occasional slapping - perhaps if it happened more often he might start concentrating on his game and fulfill the undoubted skills he has.

He reminds me of Darren Turner - who was like this until Tony Kemp's right hand showed him the error of his ways.

Best post I've seen in a long while this. Is that really the best you could think of



Just to complete some of the details you seem to have missed:

Example 1:Is Luke O'Donnell not one of the "Big Boys"... Bailey certainly didn't hide from him, in fact I believe the common term around he would be that Bailey "owned him"

Example 2: Radford is sent off for cowardly attack on prone player. Bailey stays on the pitch. Leeds win crucial game.

Rumour: U20 player hastily withdraws slanderous allegation from Twitter and no RFL enquiry/police investigation takes place despite your "rumour" of criminal assault....

Classic mistake you've made there - TMFMISL etc was only coined in about 2010 in direct response to the fact that every week opposition fans felt the need to come onto southstander and start a thread about Bailey being useless and/or a thug.

We now just have one perminent Bailey thread

As long as Cockayne has a gig in SL Bailey is safe from this accusation.

I note that many posters who dislike Bailey have accused him of being a "niggler".

Freudian spelling mistakes?

WOW, just WOW, where the hell has this thread gone?

There is either some major wind up merchants at play or some people that don't know how to have a sensible conversation.

After reading some of the tripe thats been written, especially about my thoughts on Bailey lets remember why this thread started.

Bailey pushes the referee, gives him verbals and get suspended for it. I brought up the guy has past for acting like this and I don't understand how he is in the England squad?

Why is Bailey being discussed? Because its a thread about Bailey getting suspended?



I notice no one challenged my stats on his 25 meetings with the Disciplinary meetings compared to Peacocks 4 in three years?

There's a lot of players I don't think are worth their England Squad, and a lot of players I find that rather than tough or hard playing, are actually just dirty cheap shotters. Bailey to me is one of these players, and if he could take this attitude out of his game and concentrate on what he's meant to be doing he would be a far FAR better player in my eyes.

I am not sure if 25 meetings with the disciplinary in 3 years is correct or not. It seems a lot but I will take your word for it. How many of those 25 meetings resulted in a ban?

25 meetings?

Thats nearly as many hidings hes had from opposition players!

Ok, I'll challenge it now for you.

Have you just gone down the list of reports on the RFL's "Disciplinary" webpage to get that number?

You do realise those are all incidents reviewed by the video panel, and that some (if not most) of those incidents lead to conclusions of no further action, penalty sufficient or even not guilty?

So not all of those incidents will have resulted in trips to the disclipinary.

How dare you bring facts into this. He's a thug.

FACT.

End of.

True I've counted the number of times the disciplinary panel have looked at him, but then again I did this for all other players as a comparison. Of the last 4 cases, he was given two suspensions, one caution and one NFA (no further action).

The Comparison still shows the stats in comparison to other players, he gets pulled around 6 times more often than Peacock, and I'm pretty sure Peacock has played more games.

However Ben Westwood has also been pulled 25 times and Joel Tomkins 24 times. Which goes to show that they're all as dirty as each other.

I'd like to challenge you on that. I was not aware Bailey had been charged with pushing a referee before. Do you have any evidence to support that?

Just looking for the lengthy threads which express all-round bile for those players.

You seem to either misunderstand peoples posts or intentionally try and de-rail things.

My point was Bailey has past misdemeanour's against his name, his constant Knee raising in tackles for example. His antics at the end of the last Grand Final as another example does nothing to help how his character is viewed.

Since when was I the moral conscience of the forum? I agree the comments above are dumb and are hardly how I'm putting him across.

Upset about Westwood? Make a thread about it next time one of them gets banned or suspended and we'll discuss whether they're a dirty player.

If you read one of my other posts today I said Fozzard would raise his forearm into people's face when driving it in. There's no witch hunt here, however sometimes I feel Leeds fans stoke the fire abit by the lack of any credibility when they're trying to defend Bailey.

You spout this nonsense and then have the nerve to say that Leeds fans lack "any credibility" when defending Bailey in your next? You're priceless.

So Bailey has past misdemeanor's against his name - tell me a forward who hasn't
His 'constant' knee raising is not constant at all is it? If you're being half as objective as you claim to be then you need to rephrase that and instead use the word 'occasional'

And his 'antics' at the end of last years GF? You mean celebrating? What a beast of a man, what a terror, what an abomination.

Just because you take a little bit more care in your wording doesn't mean that your opinion dressed up as fact should carry any more weight than people who come on and say "He's a thug, end of."

The reason that we Leeds fans feel the need to defend Bailey isn't because we believe him to be a faultless angel, but because opposition fans, for whatever reason, seem hell bent on painting him as the devil himself. People punching a defenceless Bailey are hailed as heroes and he's the thug? He's a coward somehow, but after both the Fa'asavlu and Radford incidents (if memory serves) he took the next carry. Yes he's niggly, but he's not the niggliest player in SL, yes he's aggressive but he's certainly not the most aggressive in SL, so where does all the hate come from? Perception, misconception and oft peddled myth, and very very little to do with fact.

Attempted last year and probably the year before. Bollox then and bollox still. Last gasp defence when all other fail?