Think the 2011 GF was the one that 'got away' the most from his losses when Saints were 16-8 up with 20 to play. Royce Simmonds took him off for 5 minutes just as Leeds were getting back in it, big mistake, that and the dumbness of Scott Moore.

Yeah he has.

He played in 6 straight for Saints (2006-2011), and then the next year for Canterbury in the NRL (2012).

8 GFs in the last 9 years ............... I suppose it shows that he's played for some very good teams, but not great teams. He's played in sides which have done well to get to GFs, but then have come across teams that were too big, strong and physical for Saints/Bulldogs.

In another era, he might have 5 or 6 wins, but he's been unlucky to come up against some outstanding sides.

As previously mentioned, the 2 Aussie GFs were always going to end badly, but I think he should have got 2 more wins with Saints ......... in 2011 Saints threw away a big lead, and in one other (2009?) a terrible decision by Ganson changed the game in Leeds favour when Saints had the lead.

Being charitable... you must have misremembered that bit I'm afraid.

I remember it. A completely incorrect video ref decision that awarded Lee Smith a try wasn't it?

If you mean the kick it was proven that he was onside it's just initially he clearly looked offside.

Also Ganson was the on-field ref so did the right going to the screen, it was Bentham who awarded it as VR.

It was 11-10 Leeds before that so Saints still needed to score regardless, obviously 1 point deficit is different to 7 points but it still might've been a Leeds win even if the try was ruled out.

I wish I was as crap in Grand Finals

Have you read the thread?

No one is saying Graham has played poorly, in fact quite the opposite.

It's a talking point that such a great player has wound up opn the losing side so many times, when none of his performances have ever warranted it.

yes, thank you.

I possible could've worded it better, how about: "I wish I was as crap at getting to grand finals"?

happy now?

What character he must have to keep going and going after so many disappointments. I really felt for him after the game today.

His post patch interview was pretty telling, poor dude looked completely lost.

Fact about James Graham is,Any supporter of a club in Superleague would have him back in the blink of an eyelid...That*s how good he is.

not just that, any other team in the NRL would take him too

The three injuries in the second half didn't help either, especially to Wello and Shenton, both of whom were good defenders.

The 2011 was the worst loss of them all I think for every Saints fan.

He's a trooper. Love the guy. Tough as old boots. Would love him back in super league can like watching him boss the NRL. I think its bad luck he's lost a few of them finals but no coincidence his teams got to the finals.

Just like on the pitch, when you bash him, he'll just get up and run harder next time.

Ah yes, of course. What I was trying to say was that he's not been on the losing side in 7 straight finals as there was a year gap.

I loved how he was grinning to the camera when he was being booed. It's a huge shame that we won't see Graham & S Burgess both lining up in the 4 Nations. It would be great to have a national team that is on a reasonably even footing with the aussies and has NRL based stars and pantomime villans that might actually get the Aussie public buying back into the international game.

Im guessing hes appeared in more grand finals than 99.9% of people on here ??
He would walk in any nrl or super league team.
Best prop in NRL.
Enough said.

As I recall .......... with Saints leading in the 2nd half; Ganson called either a knock on or forward pass against the Saints, and awarded a scrum feed to Leeds; the next possession Leeds scored to take the lead and went on to win the match ........... pretty sure it was 2009, because I saw Ganson in St Helens a few weeks later and talked to him about it; and I only worked in that town between 2009 and 2011.

Anyway it's all water under the bridge now, just fair to say that despite the GF losses, Graham has been a large part of his teams ven getting there, and (along with Peacock) has been the outstanding British prop of the SL era

Keep your panties on, is any one actually bashing him?

He's one of the best players in the world at the minute yet it's an awful statistic and he must be absolutely sick of losing.

You just hope the guys gets a break soon and wins some silverware.

James Graham has all those GF losers medals yet Ian Kirke has 5 GF winners rings!!

Now hands up all of you who would pick Kirke over Graham?

I'm sure Graham will be consouling himself with that very thought...

lots of people have GF winning medals.

Anyone outside of Saints remember Tim Jonkers?

GF winning try scorer.

A very good player for Saints until injury hit.

Graham was superb in the run-up to the Grand Final. There isn't an NRL team who wouldn't have him in a heartbeat - including Souths.

What got shown up wasn't so much the Dogs pack, but their outside backs were physically utgunned as well and their halfbacks are not creative at all (ideally suited to tight Origin-style games but chasing points they are failry clueless).

Without any threat out wide the Rabbits forwards weren't moved around at all, which is an absolute must if you're playing a physically stronger pack.