from HKA? Willie Mason....but I supose they're just waiting for his UK passport to arrive

Danny Mcguire, Leon Pryce or Kevin Sinfield will play stand off before O'loughlin. Mainly because O'loughlin is much better in the second row or in his actual position of loose forward.

Im not sure we need 3 specialist stand offs in the squad, especially when we have 3 (O'loughlin, Sinfield and Wilkin) who can fill in in an emergency.

Thats the likely reason Brown wasnt picked, because Mcguire and Pryce are better and we dont need 3 specialists and another 3 to cover.

I would argue that Brown is better than Pryce.

Scott Murrell.

I have never seen anything that would make me think that.

The team Pryce has played for have made the GF every year bar 1 since 1999, thats an amazing record.

One of the best five eighths in the world? Kevin Brown?

omg. I actually feel a little bit shady LAUGHING at you.

Rated him from the time we had him in London......always seemed to give 100% and got the job done! I think Leeds slipped up letting him go to Hull....

Danny Houghton for Hull, possibly Will Sharp too, but he needs to sort his defensive decision making before he puts on a real push for internationals.

not sure where he would have got a game at Leeds, he isnt in the same class as either Danny Mcguire at S-O or Sinfield at 13 or Diskin at 9.

He is a decent utility but i think getting to 25 and not even made a position at HKA his own tells a story.

I dunno how Nick Scruton or Andy Lynch missed out

Have you watched him play since the Four Nations? Or are you too busy weeing yourself over Sam Tomkins?

Looks like Widdop has got the starting 6 jersey for Storm so no doubt will be England's stand off into the future.

Did it come from a cas

Going off your comments, are you sure you have?

Message to smokeyta,Lynch and Scruton arnt good enough all the Giants frontrowers are better than them,and they only have one in.

Now im not saying Brown shouldn't be in the England squad but your comment is unbelievable (if you are being serious). He might be good in Superleague, but he inst even close to being mentioned in the list of top five eighths in the world.

I hope you were joking, but I think you were being serious. In that case im guessing you have never heard of the NRL.

Couldn't agree more - definitely in the top 75 stand-offs in the world, no question.

Mick Butterfield, been class so for this season in both defence and attack.

A what ????? speak English lad !!!

I like Brown

But McGuire, Chase, Tomkins are all better than him as a 6.

How Huby hasnt made the squad i will never know.

in 2 years time i would expect Johnny Walker, Craig Huby, Daz Clarke, Adam Milner, Richard Owen, Joe Arundel - All from Cas to be in and around the England set up

Uh?

Conciliation. ACAS. Geddit?

Oh of course. I have just noticed my little spelling mistake, bloody predictive text.

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Out of interest, is this thread the death of the "stand off" position? I have never heard one refered to as a 5/8 over here before and it was used twice in 5 posts

It's stand off as far as I'm concerned