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| RLBandit are you a Wigan fan by any chance? Not having a go because I don't have anything against Wigan but there's does seem to be a lot of club bias in your posts.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"Mostly its just people who like to tell everyone about their 'outrage'. Everyone's 'outraged' nowadays. Many, many, St. Helens fans (in fact ALL I've spoken to in person) have been very sensible about it. I read far more nonsense coming from over the Pennines. Of course, their standard is set by St. Kevin of Sinfield, so we should of course look to them for the sport's moral leadership.'"
Don't be silly mate, 99.9% of fans everywhere can see that the right outcome has been reached and that includes fans from both sides of the divide.Maybe this thread should be closed now,What else is to be said?, last thing we need is more childish club spats like on the Hardaker threads.
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| The 'death threats' aren't serious, just dumb kids posting 'oh he's a dead man' and 'his final days are approaching' then panicking and deleting their twitter accounts once they hear the Police are investigating.
Would be a bit daft if the people posting those get in trouble and Flower doesn't, when he's the culprit in all this.
Whilst we're on death threats, I wonder if the kid from Dominos in St Helens has met his end yet after being flooded with death threats from Gareth Hock and his Wigan cronies?
All this goes to show is that people should have to pass a test to be allowed access to social media. Flower did the crime, he's not paying his time and we should all move on from this now. Flower should go to rehab, Hock should go to school for an adult education class or two and we can all go back to admiring what a sensational performance it was from Luke Thompson at the weekend.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"The 'death threats' aren't serious, just dumb kids posting 'oh he's a dead man' and 'his final days are approaching' then panicking and deleting their twitter accounts once they hear the Police are investigating.'"
How do you know?
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"It's clearly not an excuse.
So they have a previously clean record?
They didn't. I'm stating a FACT!
I'm glad it's up to the police and CPS to look into this and not you.
You should read the state of mind website before calling for people to be hung drawn and quartered.'"
I must be missing something?
Which side are you defending here?
I haven't asked for anyone - Not Ben Flower & Not the ones on the internet sending him death threats - to be hung drawn & Quartered so why do you keep repeating this?
So "Who" has a previous clean record? I don't know what you mean? I'm stating that whoever these people are that have sent death threats to Ben Flower, Did they send them to those other players as well?
You stated that it was Ben Flower that started it which implies that's the reason they started the death threats?
If it was then I am merely pointing out that if they are so outraged then these internet people should be sending death threats to lots of sporting people who they are outraged by? Which is clearly ludicrous and clearly they are in the wrong no matter what ben Flower did or didn't start.
Youre glad its the police and CPS looking into this - Looking into what? Ben Flower or the Internet Death threats?
Because either way - so am I - But then again show me anywhere were I have stated whether either party should be punished?
My original point was that you had made an excuse for the internet death threats by saying Ben Flower "Started it".
You don't see that as an excuse I do.
The rest of your posts I just can't understand which side your on and what point your trying to make?
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"I'm not defending the crackpots that issued death threats but [uBen Flower did instigate it[/u.
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Really? Did he issue death threats and others responded in-kind?
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"How do you know?'"
I make a point of never replying to one of "You know Who's posts" as best I can so I'll let you know.
He Doesnt.
I'm also not sure what certain people mean by it would be daft if these people don't get in to trouble when it was Ben Flower who "Started it" & Ben Flower did the crime and isn't doing the time?
I can only assume said person thinks that 6months - 13 matches isn't enough and only Jail time etc. will do?
Maybe Ben Flower should now be punished for inciting people to write death threats to him now?
Maybe we should hand him over to Islamic State and let them decide what punishment he deserves?
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Really? Did he issue death threats and others responded in-kind?'"
Sounded like an excuse to me?
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"How do you know?'"
Because I poste.... I saw them on Twitter They were just kids who would panic if their Mum raised her voice.
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| Quote ="Superted"Ah, but 'they shouldn't be taken literally', you know, like the 'knock them out, be reckless, cause mayhem' instructions.... Only an idiot would think those sort of comments could be taken literally...'"
Absolutely correct. Although I realise you're trying to be sarcastic.
No, as death threats they're nothing to worry about. Anyone actually think anything will happen? But that doesn't mean the bell end making them shouldn't be reported, and it seems GMP are already looking at it.
This prick, from Salford, is the main culprit: [url=https://twitter.com/scholzac@scholzac[/url. Not that he appears to be a Salford fan, more United.
Just a scrote with a big mouth. So blindingly stupid he hasn't deleted his account.
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| I don't understand why anyone has a twitter/facebook account but especially people with the slightest ounce of fame. It must be exhausting letting utter buffoons constantly into your life and a strain on your mental health. I hope for Ben's his sake he comes off the stupid thing as he'll no doubt be targetted by clowns forever more.
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| Quote ="Willzay"RLBandit are you a Wigan fan by any chance? Not having a go because I don't have anything against Wigan but there's does seem to be a lot of club bias in your posts.'"
Yes. My beliefs are that:
a) Ben Flower committed a very bad act that deserves a serious punishment.
b) He got a fairly serious punishment. I'd also have been fine with twice the length of ban.
c) He didn't knowingly 'walk over' and punch a man he knew to be unconscious.
d) Wigan's disciplinary record, especially when compared to other clubs, doesn't support the thesis that their coach is some kind of animal bent on dirty play.
e) I, and the Wigan players understand that fiery talk in the dressing room is not a literal instruction to punch people unconscious.
If you think that one or all of those views could only be held by someone biased due to being a Wigan fan, then yes, I'm biased.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Absolutely correct. Although I realise you're trying to be sarcastic.
No, as death threats they're nothing to worry about. Anyone actually think anything will happen? But that doesn't mean the bell end making them shouldn't be reported, and it seems GMP are already looking at it.
This prick, from Salford, is the main culprit: [url=https://twitter.com/scholzac@scholzac[/url. Not that he appears to be a Salford fan, more United.
Just a scrote with a big mouth. So blindingly stupid he hasn't deleted his account.'"
What is going to make you happy a public flogging?
He's a young lad that made a mistake. Do you know he can cope mentally with you outing him and splashing his details everywhere?
I though with state of mind you'd be a bit more knowledgeable about the consequences of such actions.
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| The 6 month ban will give Ben Flower time to think. I'm sure he we won't do anything dumb like this again in Rugby League
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"What is going to make you happy a public flogging?
He's a young lad that made a mistake. Do you know he can cope mentally with you outing him and splashing his details everywhere?
I though with state of mind you'd be a bit more knowledgeable about the consequences of such actions.'"
A word from the Police, possibly a caution if they deem it necessary.
Couldn't care less how he deals with it, he's clearly a repulsive piece of work.
I see you've run out of arguments and have taken to recycling other people's.
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| Quote ="Cronus"A word from the Police, possibly a caution if they deem it necessary.
Couldn't care less how he deals with it, he's clearly [size=200a repulsive piece of work.[/size
I see you've run out of arguments and have taken to recycling other people's.'"
And so are you. But you're still allowed to post here.
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| Quote ="Cronus"A word from the Police, possibly a caution if they deem it necessary.
Couldn't care less how he deals with it, he's clearly a repulsive piece of work.
I see you've run out of arguments and have taken to recycling other people's.'"
There is one thing for sure.
If the guy could turn the clock back and take a different course of action, then I'm certain that he would.
The cost for him for a minute of madness, is the loss of the Grand Final and a lengthy ban.
It is now time to draw a line under this episode and move on.
Finally, however despicable his actions were on Saturday, he will need some help from his club and others, to get over what happened.
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| Quote ="Jeff the God of Biscuits"And so are you. But you're still allowed to post here.'"
Deary me. Jeff the Soggy Biscuit finds his bite.
You do realise that post wasn't talking about Ben Flower, but the little scrote who's been sending him threats on Twitter, I take it?
Thanks for the contribution.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"There is one thing for sure.
If the guy could turn the clock back and take a different course of action, then I'm certain that he would.
The cost for him for a minute of madness, is the loss of the Grand Final and a lengthy ban.
It is now time to draw a line under this episode and move on.
Finally, however despicable his actions were on Saturday, he will need some help from his club and others, to get over what happened.'"
You do know I wasn't talking about Ben Flower in the post you've quoted?
Agree with everything you've said.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"What is going to make you happy a public flogging?
He's a young lad that made a mistake. Do you know he can cope mentally with you outing him and splashing his details everywhere?
I though with state of mind you'd be a bit more knowledgeable about the consequences of such actions.'"
I think you have took irony and sarcasm to new depths that no one has plummeted before.
Well done. People genuinely can't tell that you are just recycling the Flower justification arguments.
True quality Forum posting.
Now where are Hitler and the Nazis just to finish this off completely.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I think you have took irony and sarcasm to new depths that no one has plummeted before.
Well done. People genuinely can't tell that you are just recycling the Flower justification arguments.
True quality Forum posting.
Now where are Hitler and the Nazis just to finish this off completely.
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Oh we can plumb these depths more. You're being very harsh, Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza is just a young lad who made a mistake.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"Oh we can plumb these depths more. You're being very harsh, Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza is just a young lad who made a mistake.'"
those 'depths' would be a reach for some of the flower deflectors on here.
But brilliant work from Maccbull. He laid out some good bait and caught a couple of big whoppers. A step up from the p1sspoor efforts we are used to seeing on this board
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I think you have took irony and sarcasm to new depths that no one has plummeted before.
Well done. People genuinely can't tell that you are just recycling the Flower justification arguments.
True quality Forum posting.
Now where are Hitler and the Nazis just to finish this off completely.
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Headingly?
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| Someone commented that he should not be judged too harshly as he is only a young man, one listener to Sports Talk on RH commented he is the same age as Guy Gibson was when he commanded the Dam Busters raids. How the events of the time change the youth of that era.
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| Quote ="rover49"Someone commented that he should not be judged too harshly as he is only a young man, one listener to Sports Talk on RH commented he is the same age as Guy Gibson was when he commanded the Dam Busters raids. How the events of the time change the youth of that era.'"
I think there were plenty of "idiot youths" in the wartime era too. Just like there are plenty of brave, courageous, decent youths now too.
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