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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Average gates between 7-8k supporters.
An extended reach of the league.
A European television contract.
Additional TV coverage in the UK that didn't exist before their TV contract.
A portfolio of sponsors that, over their life, has included Nike and subsidaries of Renault and Air France-KLM.
A significantly redeveloped stadium.
A highly rated academy.
An extension of the European talent pool.
And yeah, and I'll say it, a nice jolly.
What more would you like them to bring other than.....drumroll..... "away fans"?
How many other clubs contribute even close to that?'"
Wouldn't disagree with much of that ( apart from a sneaking feeling their attendances are ' doctored ' after my visit this summer ) so they should have achieved a lot more on the pitch than they have , my feelings are that basically the French are useless , far too much politics within the sport for them ever to grow
So yes they bring more to SL than possibly anybody else , but unfortunately they are not very good on the pitch , so , if they lose on Sat , they go down , simple as , it's called ' Sport '
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As a London RL fan I can appreciate the irony of discussing "attendances' but the reality is that Leigh have a potential to get to maybe a [i7k average at best[/i......and that's it. Nothing wrong with that....Leeds united get twice the crowds of the Rhinos and Leeds Rhinos are arguably the biggest club we have. Catalans have the potential to get [i20k if not more[/i...so for the good of the games growth, the French to stay please.'"
Do you do 'Stand Up' ? Because you should !
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| Quote ="supersuperfc"Why didn't you have an academy for this season? Genuine question'"
A few years back we did have one , but we were refused entry to the SL comp , we ended up with games constantly being called off because our ' opposition ' couldn't raise a team , so we dumped it
Also realistically as a Championship club surrounded by 3 of the biggest clubs do you think we could have developed SL quality players ?
So now we are putting in place the necessary structures , will having 20 odd 16/17 yr olds taken out of their community clubs after they have been passed over by Wigan,Saints and Wire produce SL quality players ?
I think we will have our work cut out , don't you ?
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| Many thanks to my fellow Leythers for clearing this up with the barrage of nincompoops challenging the developments of our club.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Do you do 'Stand Up' ? Because you should !'"
I remember all to well watching London Broncos lose to Leigh in that disheveled hole of a ground (Gansons Birthday) and thinking to myself, why would our game dare call itself the Greatest Game when one of the top 14 teams in the UK and 30 globally played out of a stadium where you could take a pi55 and still watch the game over the lavy wall?
Leigh are a great and traditional club.....just not the future of our game!
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I remember all to well watching London Broncos lose to Leigh in that disheveled hole of a ground (Gansons Birthday) and thinking to myself, why would our game dare call itself the Greatest Game when one of the top 14 teams in the UK and 30 globally played out of a stadium where you could take a pi55 and still watch the game over the lavy wall?
Leigh are a great and traditional club.....just not the future of our game!'"
Isn't it great to see a ground ' stadium ' very similar to that disheveled hole the home of the team that has just made this years GF , haven't we moved on ?
Quite possible that our ' Champions ' will be playing out of a stadium ' very loose term ' that didn't pass the criteria for SL entry back in the year 2000
SL just keeps getting better and better
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"A few years back we did have one , but we were refused entry to the SL comp , we ended up with games constantly being called off because our ' opposition ' couldn't raise a team , so we dumped it
Also realistically as a Championship club surrounded by 3 of the biggest clubs do you think we could have developed SL quality players ?
So now we are putting in place the necessary structures , will having 20 odd 16/17 yr olds taken out of their community clubs after they have been passed over by Wigan,Saints and Wire produce SL quality players ?
I think we will have our work cut out , don't you ?'"
Thanks for that. Very informative.
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Isn't it great to see a ground ' stadium ' very similar to that disheveled hole the home of the team that has just made this years GF , haven't we moved on ?
Quite possible that our ' Champions ' will be playing out of a stadium ' very loose term ' that didn't pass the criteria for SL entry back in the year 2000
SL just keeps getting better and better'"
The Jungle is streets ahead of where Leigh used to play home games......and as I said, Leigh is a great club as are Castleford......just not the future of our game if we want to be taken seriously as a Pro sport. And Castleford own the "mend a hose' don't they?
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As a London RL fan I can appreciate the irony of discussing "attendances' but the reality is that Leigh have a potential to get to maybe a 7k average at best......and that's it. Nothing wrong with that....Leeds united get twice the crowds of the Rhinos and Leeds Rhinos are arguably the biggest club we have. Catalans have the potential to get =#40BF0020k if not more...so for the good of the games growth, the French to stay please.'"
Possibly Catalans v Toulouse. But you don't need to be SL to see that fixture,do you! SL has done its job,its time for others to leave their mothers apron strings. We need to start to get our own home game in order from now on.
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| Quote ="atomic",its time for others to leave their mothers apron strings.'"
Puzzled. Is this a reference to oft cited but never proven "extra funds' we used to get down south?
I'd love RL to be a self sufficient sport but like so many others.......no Murdoch = no professionalism.....and if you want relevance, you need a team in London.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"The Jungle is streets ahead of where Leigh used to play home games......and as I said, Leigh is a great club as are Castleford......just not the future of our game if we want to be taken seriously as a Pro sport. =#40BF00And Castleford own the "mend a hose' don't they?'"
Will it meet the criteria of licensing?.. Hilton Park did,the Willows didn't.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"The Jungle is streets ahead of where Leigh used to play home games......and as I said, Leigh is a great club as are Castleford......just not the future of our game if we want to be taken seriously as a Pro sport. And Castleford own the "mend a hose' don't they?'"
So sorry I didn't realise we were on a history lesson , Leigh play at the LSV stadium , have done for 10 seasons now
As for the jungle , don't talk complete nonsense it's a dump
But I don't actually care , because as you say it's sport , it's what happens ON the pitch that goes into the history books
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Puzzled. Is this a reference to oft cited but never proven "extra funds' we used to get down south?
I'd love RL to be a self sufficient sport but like so many others.......no Murdoch = no professionalism.....and if you want relevance, you need a team in London.'"
Before we need a team in London , London needs a stadium
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"Before we need a team in London , London needs a stadium'"
Wrong......happy to pay rent, just need a team (back office) to fill the thing.....London should command a 10k average 7 days a week....but the current owner doesn't see it that way so he's flushed 20 million...that's TWENTY MILLION doing it his way on a rush to the floor.....
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Puzzled. Is this a reference to oft cited but never proven "extra funds' we used to get down south?
I'd love RL to be a self sufficient sport but like so many others.......no Murdoch = no professionalism.....and if you want relevance, you need a team in London.'"
The first thing is to get away from Murdoch at the earliest opportunity. I'll say it again,they may be the saviour of SL,but they are the demise of the game.
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| Quote ="atomic"The first thing is to get away from Murdoch at the earliest opportunity. I'll say it again,they may be the saviour of SL,but they are the demise of the game.'"
So get away from Murdoch.....
Then what?
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Wrong......happy to pay rent, just need a team (back office) to fill the thing.....London should command a 10k average 7 days a week....but the current owner doesn't see it that way so he's flushed 20 million...that's TWENTY MILLION doing it his way on a rush to the floor.....'"
You pay ? , to play there ? , seriously ?
Look Gutters old chap I don't want to fall out with you , but we both know the London boat sailed long ago
All the best
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Puzzled. Is this a reference to oft cited but never proven "extra funds' we used to get down south?
I'd love RL to be a self sufficient sport but like so many others.......no Murdoch = no professionalism.....and if you want relevance, you need a team in London.'"
If London Broncos/Skolars 'ceased to trade' as of tomorrow, it would have 0% impact on the future of RL in this country. Broncos only got a crowd over a 1000 this season, when Hull KR & Leigh played there.
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| Quote ="supersuperfc"So get away from Murdoch.....
Then what?'"
A new broadcaster for starters.There will be plenty queueing up.Including the BBC. More coverage,more schedule normality and better promotion of the game.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"If London Broncos/Skolars 'ceased to trade' as of tomorrow, it would have 0% impact on the future of RL in this country. Broncos only got a crowd over a 1000 this season, when Hull KR & Leigh played there.
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Nice to see you what you think of the kids down south who aspire to play rugby league.
Let's take Mike McMeeken as an example. Without skolars and broncos please tell me how he would have played this game professionally?
Quote ="atomic"A new broadcaster for starters.There will be plenty queueing up.Including the BBC. More coverage,more schedule normality and better promotion of the game.'"
You do realise BBC will not pay anywhere near what sky pay for super league right?
How about premier sports and BBC share the coverage. We get lot less money but hey as long as Murdoch isn't near the sport who cares.
People who mention BBC as a viable TV broadcaster are truly living in a fantasy land. Let's actually entertain this idea of BBC holding super league rights for a minute. So at the moment we get three live games per week with the Catalan games. Love to hear how BBC would give us more live TV coverage.
You tell me where in BBC schedule we get more than 3 live games per week?
Oh and my god. You actually mentioned better promotion of the game. I mean it's not like the BBC have a proven track record of great promotion of the game right. Let us know about this great promotion they do for the challenge cup year in year out.
How about the super league show? BBC give that major exposure right, given a great TV time slot for maximum coverage.
Hell let's talk about the world cup. What did BBC do to promote that competition? BBC were so bothered about it that they chose themselves to only get the live TV rights for England games. That sure does sound like a TV broadcaster that has an interest in promoting the game.
By the way they have done exactly the same thing for the world cup in a few months. You still gonna claim BBC will give super league the promotion it deserves?
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| Quote ="atomic"A new broadcaster for starters.There will be plenty queueing up.Including the BBC. More coverage,more schedule normality and better promotion of the game.'"
The BBC? Is this some sort of wind up, or a parody account?
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| Quote ="atomic"A new broadcaster for starters.There will be plenty queueing up.Including the BBC. More coverage,more schedule normality and better promotion of the game.'"
Do you honestly think we would get enough from the BBC to sustain any sort of professionalism in Super League, never mind growth? Do you honestly see the BBC devoting prime broadcast slots to a regional sport?
There's currently no evidence that other broadcasters are interested in Super League, other than Premier Sports.
It's pretty clear that some of the posters on here are more than happy to see RL as a professional sport remain on life support, just as long as there club is in the top league when it flat-lines.
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| Quote ="atomic"A new broadcaster for starters.There will be plenty queueing up.Including the BBC. More coverage,more schedule normality and better promotion of the game.'"
I'm sure the BBC would take it on but, how much will they pay ?
Or, has cash become irrelevant in your Leigh centric universe.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I'm sure the BBC would take it on but, how much will they pay ?
Or, has cash become irrelevant in your Leigh centric universe.'"
Indeed. I'm sure we're talking about the same BBC that still doesn't show our highlights programme nationally at a sociable hour, and that offered practically nothing to broadcast the England vs Samoa game earlier this year, resulting in it being broadcast on a PPV online stream - such was the interest from broadcasters.
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| I've voted Leigh - yes, because I have supported them for many years, but also because I believe they will have deserved to have an extended chance in SL. In this 'new' version of P&R, teams no longer enjoy a protected period in SL, like Catalans did, for instance. Leigh are moving towards an academy and reserve set up, have superb facilities and have been competitive on the pitch. Catalans appear to have been in a steady decline, both on and (apparently) off the pitch. They need to get that sorted out, get more Frenchmen in their team - or what is the point of a french team in SL - and come back stronger for it. HKR appear to have done just that, during their year in the Championship, and so could Catalans. (or Leigh)
Catalans are well supported at home. How many fans do they bring to 'unattractive venues' such as Leigh? (or Castleford, or Leeds, or Wigan! ) Ask the owners of those clubs, how much Leigh have contributed to their coffers this season - and how much Catalans have!
SL is supposed to be a 'competition', is it not? Remove the jeopardy factor of 'P&R' and I fail to see the point of the competition. Teams will surely revert to 'drifting along' without any incentive to better themselves.
Finally, a genuine question - has the French competition improved, during Catalans' time in SL?
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